Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#626 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:10 am

Makes me wonder if 1) the other former Criterion/MoC titles look just as bad and 2) whether anyone streaming these titles will be subjected to the same shitty master.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#627 Post by Nw_jahrles » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:21 am

You have to wonder how many users are going to be irritated over at HTF since Robert Harris really pumped up this release as a “night and day” upgrade.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#628 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:26 am

I'm sure it was, the Criterion restoration was an old 2K restoration whereas the newer 4K restoration was used for a DCP that's already been screened for over five years now. Plenty of people have seen it by now, but I'm sure they fucked it up for the BD.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#629 Post by beamish14 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:02 am

Anyone have any guesses about future Paramount Presents titles? I've been wondering about The Day of the Locust and Bringing Out the Dead.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#630 Post by david hare » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:57 pm

I think you and I have been looking at a different encode. I basically agree with Harris that the new 4K derived encode for Paramount is miles ahead of the older 2k from 2011. Far more shadow detail, more consistent color and grain. I have no idea where you’re finding so much DVNR. The film represents the film image better than any previous release. I never thought it looked so great on first release although I’va always loved the picture but this is probably a superior presentation to first release Panavision.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#631 Post by EddieLarkin » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:09 pm

I too do not see much evidence of DNR in the Nashville caps. If the new version looks a touch softer, this may be due to some built in sharpening on the old transfer. The grain on that one seems to have a harsher sharpened look to it. As for that particular shot highlighted by senseabove, the detail that is lost there is not the result of DNR, but by a fudging of the dynamic range. It's probably the case that the remaster was done in HDR/PQ, and then obviously converted to SDR/gamma for this Blu-ray release. There have been many instances of this happening on new Blu-rays that are sourced from HDR remasters, where the new highlight information is being lost in the conversion to SDR. Sadly it seems Paramount wish to milk us for a lot of these new masters by releasing them first only on Blu-ray, and then perhaps later on UHD (or possibly not at all, saving the 4K/HDR for streaming).

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#632 Post by Moshrom » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:34 pm

The new restoration is also much more stable in motion and no longer flickers like mad.

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#633 Post by andyli » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:59 pm

I've sampled the disc a while back and remembered it looked gorgeous in motion. No idea where people saw DNR and why they so quickly formed a negative opinion based on screengrabs.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#634 Post by Rayon Vert » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:39 pm

In terms of those screengabs, something like this also makes the Paramount look problematically blurry (?). I get that the Criterion might have been sharpened, but just looking at the detail in the hair, for example, isn't reassuring.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#635 Post by senseabove » Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:43 pm

Several of the caps look great—most of the indoor, averagely-lit scenes are an improvement, like the cap of Tomlin at the table with her kids—but just as many of them have something very funky going on, as RV and EddieLarkin noted: Karen Black's blurry hair, the loss of detail in the grass here that doesn't seem solely attributable to the Criterion being overly sharpened, just about everything in that junkyard cap, the disappearing head in the bar.

I've been planning on showing Nashville to a friend soon in an attempt to recuperate Altman, after an evening's discussion of why he hated 3 Women and I think it's a masterpiece, so I may spring for the iTunes HDR on the assumption that the blurriness is less noticeable in motion and the colors are better handled in HDR.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#636 Post by dwk » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:07 pm

Harold and Maude Blu-ray is coming out on December 7th as part of the Paramount Presents line:
New 4K transfer
Commentary with Larry Karaszewski and Cameron Crowe
Yusuf/Cat Stevens on Harold and Maude
Theatrical Trailer #1
Theatrical Trailer #2

 

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#637 Post by ryannichols7 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:15 pm

that commentary isn't listed as new...was it on a previous Paramount DVD?

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#638 Post by PfR73 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:19 pm

It is new. It hasn't been on any previous release and is listed as new on the Blu-ray.com news article.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#639 Post by senseabove » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:36 pm

I watched the 4k DV iTunes download of Nashville last night. The blurriness does pop up occasionally, and, frankly, reminded me of watching a slightly warped print, as it sometimes blurred in only a portion of the visual field (not relegated to specific objects at a certain depth, like a bad focus pull), sometimes covering the whole image for a frame or two. Geraldine Chaplin's head still dissolves and reconstitutes in the darkness of the bar when she approaches Tom (though coming out of full black was a pretty frequent issue, with some portions of the screen rapidly fluctuating in and out of legibly "on" and OLED-black "off"—I'd say that probably wasn't aided by streaming compression, but the whole file is only 5.4GB!); in the junkyard, the white car detail is still blown out, if not quite so thoroughly erased, and the rusted car in front is still a maraschino cherry red. Detail does look great in motion, though, outside of those extremes, and the colors absolutely pop. Which feels wrong to say about an Altman film from the 70s, but as a counterpoint, I did just pull down the big, lavish 2014 career survey Altman's daughter co-wrote to skim through the Nashville chapter written by co-author Giulia D'Agnolo Vallan, and there's a brief, unsourced reference to "its reds, whites, and blues [being] deliberately heightened through an extra saturation process..." I've never heard that mentioned before, and it's been far too long since I've seen a print to recall how vivid those colors were, but it at least gives some support for the color timing of this release. I'd be curious if anyone knows of other sources that mention that...

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#640 Post by dwk » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:25 pm

Heaven Can Wait and Reds (40th Anniversary Edition) Blu-rays are coming out on November 30th.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#641 Post by Altair » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:48 pm

Having Reds back on blu - hopefully a new scan - is tremendous news.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#642 Post by dwk » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:07 pm

According to The Digital Bits, Reds is a new 4K restoration.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#643 Post by A Tempted Christ » Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:51 am

It is indeed a new 4k restoration but it's approved by Vittorio Storaro. Isn't he the guy who changes the aspect ratios of films according to his liking and against the director's intent?

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#644 Post by PfR73 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:50 pm

AFAIK, he's only done that to 2.35:1 films, not to 1.85:1/1.78:1 films, so I expect there shouldn't be any issue with the aspect ratio.

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