197 Someone to Watch Over Me

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Re: Forthcoming: Someone to Watch Over Me

#26 Post by colinr0380 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:13 pm

I would also add in a vote for Black Rain as well, despite understanding the criticisms above (and the egregious crime of coming out the exact same year as the much more important film titled Black Rain by Shohei Imamura, requiring clarification on which Black Rain we are talking about beyond just giving the year as well!). I would tie it in with the other 'wary culture clash' film of the time, Red Heat, and it also has a certain interest (as does the later Rising Sun) for being made during the period where there were US fears of Japan's growing socioeconomic dominance in the time before their economic bubble burst.

It is also the first non-Paul Schrader film that Alan Poul associate produced (after Mishima: A Life In Four Chapters and Light of Day), and I have been wanting to revisit Black Rain since hearing Poul allude to this film's production on the Mishima commentary track. Poul was a key figure in bridging the cultural divide in the Mishima production and since then went on to other work, including Candyman and many television series, including most recently (at least according to imbd) apparently being executive producer on that in pre-production TV series Tokyo Vice, with an episode directed by Michael Mann. So I would be particularly interested in hearing what Alan Poul would have to say looking back on Black Rain!

And of course it looks stylish with Jan de Bont as Director of Photography!

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Re: Forthcoming: Someone to Watch Over Me

#27 Post by swo17 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:34 pm

Yeah, I only know Black Rain as the movie that comes up in searches when I try to find the Imamura film!

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#28 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:07 pm

I was confused for far too long than I’d like to admit when I descended into this community a few years back and kept reading all this hyperbolic praise for Black Rain. I just assumed I was crazy for not seeing the connection in quality between Claire Denis and weird Michael Douglas ethnic war action films. I haven’t seen it since I was a kid but I don’t have the fondest of memories.

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#29 Post by chucktatum » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:21 pm

I find Scott's Black Rain to be incredibly racist. Maybe this movie felt like therapy for some people in its time, when there was a lot of fear of Japanese businesses "taking over" American ones but Jesus Christ.

Even if I'd seen it the year it came out, it would still have been offensive to watch Michael Douglas as a self-righteous white American cop strutting around Japan like he owns the place and knows better than anyone else, not to mention the checklist of other ugly Asian stereotypes lazily used throughout the film.

I love a good percentage of Ridley Scott's work, but Black Rain (along with Black Hawk Down and 1492) is a reminder that when it comes to other races and non-Western cultures, he's an old European guy who sees the world through an outdated/imperial lens.

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Re: 197 Someone to Watch Over Me

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Re: 197 Someone to Watch Over Me

#31 Post by MichaelB » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:19 am

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Re: 197 Someone to Watch Over Me

#32 Post by Number Forty-Eight » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:00 pm

I suppose it's going to be the same master as before. Will probably grab it. One of Scott most underestimated films.

I also like A Good Year, maybe because it's shot in parts at Ridley Scott's own house, so it's nice to see where he's at when he's in the south of France.

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Re: 197 Someone to Watch Over Me

#33 Post by beamish14 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:54 pm

MichaelB wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:19 am
Final specs for Someone To Watch Over Me:

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Jim Hemphill is great. I've seen some great Q&A's moderated by him at the American Cinematheque.

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Re: 197 Someone to Watch Over Me

#34 Post by cdnchris » Tue May 04, 2021 1:34 pm

Holy cow, this movie! I like Black Rain (all valid criticisms against it aside), and I guess I was expecting something similar in tone and look, just more along the lines of an erotic-thriller from this era, but what an absolute waste of time this film was. The whole central storyline (middle class cop connecting with very-well-to-do socialite) lacks any spark, the whole murderer thing lacks any tension, the climax is incredibly stupid with any thing that could be considered logic going out the window (not that the film was playing by logic at any point really), and worst of all the two leads have zero chemistry, so it's hard to care one iota when they finally get down to business. Lorraine Bracco and Andreas Katsulas are the only high points in this thing. Admittedly, I don't know who the fuck Katsulas is supposed to be in this film, but hey, at least he's menacing and chews out the scenery. Likewise, Bracco just knocks out every scene she's in and whenever she's around the film suddenly becomes interesting. Jerry Orbach phones it in but he was always the type that could just stand there and elevate whatever he's in.

Calling this mediocre would be over praising it. Never thought I'd long for a Shannon Tweed/Andrew Stevens movie.

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Re: 197 Someone to Watch Over Me

#35 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue May 04, 2021 4:28 pm

Lorraine Bracco reminds me so much of my sister. I'm not sure what I was horrified by more, the scene where she gets beat up in Goodfellas, or when she appears topless in this.

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Re: 197 Someone to Watch Over Me

#36 Post by Adam X » Fri May 07, 2021 3:39 am

It sounds like you should just stop watching films featuring Lorraine Bracco.

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