1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#51 Post by soundchaser » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:08 pm

Conversely, I *hate* Va Savoir, and had I started with that one I probably wouldn't have kept going! It's his only late period work I really don't like.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#52 Post by domino harvey » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:10 pm

I started with Va savoir because at the time it was the only Rivette available commercially on DVD in the states. I thought it was too long and not very interesting. Still a pretty good descriptor of a lot of Rivette. So dear lord, start with this, his best film

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#53 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:42 pm

Hah, I've always wanted to see Rivette's LONGER version of Va savoir (which never got released in the US or on any sort of home media). ;-) (We also went to see the Pirandello play that is seen in the film).

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#54 Post by Jean-Luc Garbo » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:48 pm

This was my first Rivette - many moons ago from the library on the New Yorker VHS! - and while it was quite the experience Labourier and Berto's performances and chemistry went a long way to make it enjoyable. Truly one of my favorite friend relationships in film. As was my experience with Noiseuse at some point you just go along with the performances and enjoy the ride. Celine et Julie being split between two cassettes helped too. But the last minutes are amongst my favorite in all cinema so I'd hope that rewards the experience for anyone.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#56 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:11 pm

Ashirg wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:27 pm
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Compared to the BFI disc, it looks like they turned up the contrast a notch on the same restoration for the Criterion disc, but not much else. The real draw is the boatload of extras, and that alone makes the Criterion set worth getting even if you have the BFI disc.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#57 Post by ianthemovie » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:53 pm

hearthesilence wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:11 pm
Compared to the BFI disc, it looks like they turned up the contrast a notch on the same restoration for the Criterion disc, but not much else. The real draw is the boatload of extras, and that alone makes the Criterion set worth getting even if you have the BFI disc.
Agreed, the inclusion of the Claire Denis doc (something I've long wanted to see) alone should give this a slight edge over the BFI.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#58 Post by JSC » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:17 pm

Hah, I've always wanted to see Rivette's LONGER version of Va savoir (which never got released in the US or on any sort of home media). ;-) (We also went to see the Pirandello play that is seen in the film).
Actually, Va savoir has grown on me. Saw it when it first came out and it didn't leave much of an impression. But I saw it again
recently and appreciated it more in the context of Rivette's other films. In a strange sort of way, it's roughly the equivalent of watching
a farce in slow motion.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#59 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:24 pm

I never would have become a Rivette fan (I suspect) had I not managed to see Va savoir screened. It was the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#60 Post by hearthesilence » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:53 pm

Quick question - the Denis documentary only exists in an SD broadcast master, correct? There's no film print, much less a film negative that exists, right?

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#62 Post by Noiretirc » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:29 pm

(I know this is not the right place for this, but my searching skills are obviously quite terrible: Has the full version of L'Amour Fou found a way to disc?)

Edit: I eventually found my answer (no!) in the Rivette thread.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#63 Post by Svevan » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:52 pm

I finally got to watch this for the first time on Criterion’s new Blu-ray. I enjoyed it a lot! This is my second Rivette after Le Pont du Nord, which I saw on MoC’s Blu, and is a film I deeply love. (I have Criterion’s Paris Belongs to Us but I have yet to commit to watching it all the way through).

There were some interesting mysteries early on in Celine and Julie, (in particular the nature of the relationship between the two women) plus some comparisons with Le Pont du Nord (another mysterious relationship) that helped grab me early on. But although the 70s color film stock kept me engaged, especially Julie’s red hair popping against green backgrounds, the middle hour or so was a bit confounding for me. I was excited by the maybe-telepathic connection between the two women, and the way their personalities were shifting and interchanging, but the constant detours into the melodrama pulled me out of that reverie. The fragmentary nature of the first hour left it unclear how either character got into the house and why that was important (I guess it wasn’t), so returning to it so often, I felt like I had missed some key motivation.

By the time I got to the end I felt like I understood why the film elided a more deliberate sequential setup. The house is both an accidental excursion and a monument to the cinema and theatre of the patriarchy. It’s a doll house and A Doll’s House at the same time, both an open play space needing no justification, and a world of structure and ideology in need of deconstruction. And while I was a bit bored by the repetitions of this stage play, those repetitions seem key to Rivette’s strategy here, so that when the two characters eventually invade the performance, the audience has a firm idea of where everyone is supposed to be and what they’re supposed to say. Thus their anarchic disruptions have more context and more weight, and are also simply more delightful. This last half hour of the film completely won me back to the movie, both resolving and adding mysteries, and giving some purpose to the build-up.

I think Le Pont du Nord was a bit more successful at sustaining my curiosity throughout, and is a movie I can show to others as a unique and exhilarating urban fantasy-mystery. Celine and Julie requires a bit more commitment. But Celine and Julie feels like it has more to say, more mystery to explore, and has a more intoxicating central friendship. I felt a thrill watching the last five minutes unfold.

Next I’ll explore Paris Belongs to Us and Coup de Berger and see if I can justify the money and time needed for Out 1.

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Re: 1069 Céline and Julie Go Boating

#64 Post by Michael Kerpan » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:38 pm

svevan -- You put your finger on why I think Pont du Nord is a "gentler" introduction to Rivette tha Celine and Julie (as wondeful as that film is).

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