Twilight Time / Redwind

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3726 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:29 pm

Ribs wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:58 pm
As if 2020 couldn’t get worse
I'm clearly missing something- how is this bad news?

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3727 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:44 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:29 pm
Ribs wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:58 pm
As if 2020 couldn’t get worse
I'm clearly missing something- how is this bad news?
He's joking that TT is so awful that it's unfortunate the label will continue when other, better labels could have reissued the titles they would have presumably licensed.

I had mixed feelings about TT, but I don't think losing them would be a boon to any of us. There's only so many titles that can be picked up by any individual boutique label, and there's not many people clamoring to enter the niche market of Blu-ray reissues.
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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3728 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:57 pm

That's what I suspected, but it's nice that they're at least saying they're open to requests!

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3729 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:20 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:57 pm
That's what I suspected, but it's nice that they're at least saying they're open to requests!
Absolutely. I think my main criticism against TT revolved around one thing with two possible solutions. Either they had to come up with better packages (i.e. good extras) or they had to lower their prices to make a barebones package feel justifiable. The latter started happening when they began heavily discounting titles that were nearing the end of their stock, and at least they did try the former tactic, though the commentaries could feel a bit casual and cranked out, like Redman was just winging it with a friend.

Anyway, what would be a good title to request? Was there any particular studio that Twilight Time had an easier time with licensing?

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3730 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:01 pm

hearthesilence wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:20 pm
Was there any particular studio that Twilight Time had an easier time with licensing?
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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3731 Post by Noiradelic » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:57 am

If they can still get Fox titles -- and that's a big if -- Somewhere in the Night, House of Strangers and 14 Hours would be nice (assuming of course that no one cheaper or better can get them).

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3732 Post by Drucker » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:17 am

I mean other threads have had industry folks claim, I believe, "Fox isn't licensing to anyone right now."

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3733 Post by soundchaser » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:09 am

Yeah, any Fox titles would have to come from licensing deals put in place before the buyout. (Which is still possible.)

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3734 Post by tenia » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 am

Brian Jamieson explicitly said in Oct 2019 that they were having problems with Fox for quite some months (IIRC almost a year) and that was one of the source of their structural issues as a label since they were so heavily picking titles from their catalogue. If he hadn't say this, I guess it would have been conceivable they had a better relationship with the studio than most labels, but since it didn't look that way and since things only got worse with Fox in the meantime, I don't see how a TT revival would suddenly be able to rescue Fox titles when almost nobody else in the world can (except possibly Criterion but I'm not even sure of that). But who knows.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3735 Post by Ribs » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:40 am

Drucker wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:17 am
I mean other threads have had industry folks claim, I believe, "Fox isn't licensing to anyone right now."
I think there is some modest indication that Criterion may be maintaining a relationship through the handover - their most recent releases now have the Twentieth Century Pictures branding and they're also releasing The Grand Budapest Hotel in the UK, where they have until now (I think) not released any Fox titles, which to me indicates an expanding relationship, not a closing one. Really the only way we'd know is if Fox releases just continue popping up infrequently seeing as it's not like Criterion really comments on anything. I also think language from KL Insider has indicated they don't really view the book as closed but haven't seriously pursued it since the transition really began.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3736 Post by soundchaser » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:52 am

Just got an email from Screen Archives Entertainment announcing two new titles: The Man From Hong Kong (1975) and Venom (1971)

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3737 Post by Drucker » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:08 pm

Ribs wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:40 am
Drucker wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:17 am
I mean other threads have had industry folks claim, I believe, "Fox isn't licensing to anyone right now."
I think there is some modest indication that Criterion may be maintaining a relationship through the handover - their most recent releases now have the Twentieth Century Pictures branding and they're also releasing The Grand Budapest Hotel in the UK, where they have until now (I think) not released any Fox titles, which to me indicates an expanding relationship, not a closing one. Really the only way we'd know is if Fox releases just continue popping up infrequently seeing as it's not like Criterion really comments on anything. I also think language from KL Insider has indicated they don't really view the book as closed but haven't seriously pursued it since the transition really began.
Confirming my suspicions that it was our own MichaelB who made the comment.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3738 Post by dwk » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:56 pm

The Man from Hong Kong is already available on Blu from Umbrella and includes 5 bonus films (bonus films are in standard def.) So no compelling reason to pick up the TT.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3739 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:16 pm

Quentin Tarantino said (paraphrasing) "all but one or two" of the Twilight Time commentaries are terrible on the latest New Beverly podcast. Said they're so poor they've put him off the notion of scholarly tracks "Unless it's someone like Tim Lucas or Kim Newman." Particularly frustrated at what he considers to be a lack of research and too much speculation about what a filmmaker might have been thinking.

As the kids might say: No lies detected.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3740 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:17 pm

Screen Archives is having a 20% off sale on nearly all Twilight Time titles - you just need to enter a code which is TWILIGHT2021 and it lasts until Monday.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3741 Post by L.A. » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:23 pm

The Other Side of Midnight (1977) was simply something that I couldn’t resist so ordered it.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3742 Post by Calvin » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:44 am

The sale has been extended until Thursday. I'm tempted by My Sister Eileen, but it feels like a title that's in with a chance of getting an Indicator release

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3743 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:09 am

It’s not exactly popular outside of the forum, and regardless there would be a far greater chance of it not getting released than released by Indicator. I’d jump on it.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3744 Post by Calvin » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:16 am

therewillbeblus wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:09 am
It’s not exactly popular outside of the forum, and regardless there would be a far greater chance of it not getting released than released by Indicator. I’d jump on it.
You've convinced me

Now, you can all thank me if Indicator announce a Quine box set on Thursday!

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3745 Post by L.A. » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:52 pm

Since the sale has been extended, maybe one more title :-k. Perhaps The Keys of the Kingdom (1944), My Cousin Rachel (1952) or The Hospital (1971) but while searching the forums these are not so good after all, or...?

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3746 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:37 pm

I bought The Hospital last year when TT tiles were disappearing, and thought it was okay- I didn't hate it like domino and didn't love it like its cult followers. It's definitely an acquired taste, but it's received a fair amount of praise from critics and audiences alike, so like with any black comedy satire, it's a gamble

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3747 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:53 pm

I hated all three of those titles. My Cousin Rachel is the worst offender for being soooooo booooring, but can’t say I recommend any of them

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3748 Post by DarkImbecile » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:20 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:53 pm
My Cousin Rachel is the worst offender for being soooooo booooring, but can’t say I recommend any of them
Did anyone else see the Roger Michell adaptation a few years ago? I thought it was much better, largely on the strength of Rachel Weisz' performance (fair warning, I am a pretty serious Weisz partisan these days, so grain of salt).

It's been too long since I've seen it to offer a definitive recommendation, but I'd assert that The Hospital is by far the most interesting of those choices, for Scott and Chayefsky's contributions.

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3749 Post by swo17 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:04 pm

Re: The Hospital, a George C. Scott film has to be pretty bad for me not to like it, and I didn't like it

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Re: Twilight Time / Redwind

#3750 Post by knives » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:40 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:53 pm
I hated all three of those titles. My Cousin Rachel is the worst offender for being soooooo booooring, but can’t say I recommend any of them
It’s the only one I like and mostly just as a mood piece.

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