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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1776 Post by Calvin » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:20 pm


tenia wrote:
Drucker wrote:Is this just a re-release?
There has been a new 4k resto of a movie, so it might be more than just a repacking re-release.
Has there been? The 2012 restoration was advertised as being 4K

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1777 Post by EddieLarkin » Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:22 pm

tenia wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:43 pm
david hare wrote:I can only imagine the superiority of the UHD encode.
I wouldn't be so sure of it. Blu-ray.com's members' feedback mentions encode issues à la Total Recall.
You can see in the caps-a-holic grabs that the encoding on Le Cercle Rouge ain't great.

Practically all of StudioCanal's UHDs suffer from compression problems, but it is limited to the HDR10 layers. The Dolby Vision encodes on the same discs are mostly free of the compression blockiness, Total Recall included. So I wouldn't be surprised to find Le Cercle Rouge is indeed encoded well, assuming one is viewing in DV.

This isn't anything to do with Dolby Vision itself, but rather an encoding flaw that seems to be unique to StudioCanal, whenever they use DV on disc (which is pretty much always). The DV version comes out ok, the HDR10 version comes out terrible.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1778 Post by david hare » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:06 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:23 pm
Whites defintely appear more yellow in the UHD caps vs the new resto BD caps from Svet, so it is almost certainly a result of the HDR>SDR conversion that has to take place to show the UHD caps. I'm sure the whites will appear far less yellow on playback in the HDR realm.
It’s the whites in the 1080 BD disc that are so right. There is simply no trace of any yellow/cyan bias with hideous “Dirty” yellow whites. But again we’re only talking about the BD. My own caps look nothing like Svet’s. But they are obviously SDR. You can see the on my FB wall.

Remy I also have the UHD of Total Recall. It’s not a demo transfer by any means but I do think a lot of the “softness” is down to inherent limitations in the movie itself via opticals and early CGII fx. But this is something I saw on release and like a number of other Verhoeven/Carolco movies from the 80s on it had a very attractive high glossy color image with very fine grain and great saturation. The benchmark for this kind of european Eastmancolor printing at optimal level is the new Blue Underground 4K and BD of Daughters of Darkness.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1779 Post by tenia » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:02 pm

Yes, there are part of the aspects of the new Total Recall that definitely are inherited, and I think that overall, the new restoration is otherwise great, but the encode of the UHD looks quite appalling in any case.

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#1780 Post by GoodOldNeon » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:36 pm

I watched the UHD of Le cercle rouge tonight, and I thought it looked very yellow. Afterwards I popped in the BD and based on the first scene in the train the colours look much better: clean whites and no yellow bias as mentioned earlier by david hare.

The UHD encode is also very poor, with several instances of noticeable macroblocking in darker scenes.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1781 Post by david hare » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:25 pm

Only question here is did you watch the UHD with DV or does your player and monitor only enable HDR?

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#1782 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:55 pm

When they master UHD discs, whether it's with or without HDR or DV, ideally shouldn't every playback method have at least a similar look and tonality within the given technical framework (or constrictions)?

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#1783 Post by tenia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:58 pm

It should but in this case, whoever is encoding Canal's UHDs who isn't David M is crapping the HDR layer and the DV layer is coming to the rescue, so any common sense is basically gone down the drain.
But given to any competent authoring house, sure enough, the HDR layer would be properly encoded in the 1st place and people not equipped with Dolby Vision screens wouldn't have such a gap in blockiness.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1784 Post by GoodOldNeon » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:25 pm

david hare wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:25 pm
Only question here is did you watch the UHD with DV or does your player and monitor only enable HDR?
Unfortunately my player or TV, can't remember which, doesn't support DV.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1785 Post by EddieLarkin » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:51 pm

Whilst the DV layer on StudioCanal discs will fix a lot of the bad compression seen in HDR10, there shouldn't be any colour difference between the two, so if the film is yellow in HDR10 it's going to be the same in DV.

But, all three modes on a TV (SDR, HDR10, DV) will have their own colour temperature and white balance settings, so just because a UHD has a change in colour vs the same 4K sourced BD, or between HDR10 and DV, doesn't mean that difference actually exists. It could all be down to not having the 3 viewing modes lined up properly (i.e., calibrated).

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1786 Post by Drucker » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am

Ladykillers looks fantastic. Honestly when I started reading this forum a disc released by SC was bound to have errors and be terrible. Encode issues aside their restorations seem great nowadays, so hats off.

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#1787 Post by mhofmann » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:01 am

Drucker wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:56 am
Ladykillers looks fantastic. Honestly when I started reading this forum a disc released by SC was bound to have errors and be terrible. Encode issues aside their restorations seem great nowadays, so hats off.
AFAIK that is a David M encode, while some of the other mentioned releases are not.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1788 Post by MichaelB » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:45 am

Yes, I'm not aware of any David M encodes with any issues (aside from a single fade-out flub in The Elephant Man that's down to the restorers and is easy enough to tune out).

This list probably isn't complete, but I believe he was responsible for Angel Heart, Don't Look Now, The Elephant Man, Flash Gordon and The Ladykillers.

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#1789 Post by EddieLarkin » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 pm

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure and The Fifth Element too (the latter being much better than the Sony equivalent).

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1790 Post by tenia » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:55 pm

He indeed has encoded all those above, while he hasn't encoded the 4 John Carpenter movies, the 3 Rambo movies, Total Recall, Le cercle rouge, Les trois jours du Condor, Serpico or Cliffhanger, all with their share of issues.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1791 Post by Drucker » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:13 pm

Understood, but I'd also point out that They Live, Deer Hunter, and according to David Hare, Le Cercle Rouge also look great on blu-ray.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1792 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:02 pm

I watched my SC copy of Le Cercle Rouge last weekend and can confirm it looks great, though the color debates between this and Criterion are fair and probably doomed to be unresolved

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1793 Post by tenia » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:44 pm

In the present cases, the UHDs are concerned, not the BDs (though I've read that amongst those 4 Carpenter, They Live has the best encode).

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1794 Post by L.A. » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:13 pm

The Masque of the Red Death Jan. 25th.

Also some information about the restoration at The Digital Fix.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1795 Post by L.A. » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:36 am

L.A. wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:13 pm
The Masque of the Red Death Jan. 25th.
Mondo Digital.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1796 Post by Stefan Andersson » Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:11 pm

Blu releases for March 5, 2021:

Mayerling
Les valseuses
Notre histoire
Shalako
Ouvre les yeux
Il divo
Le poids de l'eau
Alice et Martin
Carlos
Les carabiniers
Docteur Petiot
Moderato Cantabile
Fatale
Chaplin
Charade
Meurtre (Hitchcock)

Source: https://www.dvdclassik.com/forum/viewto ... start=4170

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1797 Post by L.A. » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:26 am

Link (Richard Franklin, 1986) was released last week. The Digital Fix reviews the disc.

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1798 Post by swo17 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:58 am

Presumably this corrects what was wrong with the Kino?

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1799 Post by L.A. » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:33 am

swo17 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:58 am
Presumably this corrects what was wrong with the Kino?
Oh, was there something bad about it?

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1800 Post by swo17 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:04 pm

I hadn't bothered to look it up when I wrote that, but the issue was that a mono audio track had been used in place of the advertised stereo track. This review says the SC has a Dolby Digital 2.0 track so that would seem to suggest that it's the one to get

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