86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

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Roscoe
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Re: 86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

#76 Post by Roscoe » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:35 am

TCM ran what has to be a new restoration of ALEXANDER NEVSKY last night, with the new Criterion logo -- and based on the first few minutes which was all I had time to check this morning it is fucking spectacular. Crystal clear, brighter and sharper. Counting the days until the new Blu-Ray announcement. I can't imagine how great IVAN THE TERRIBLE is going to look if this is any indication.

EDIT -- and it turns out it was running on FilmStruck all along. Along with IVAN.

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Re: 86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

#77 Post by unclehulot » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:00 am

Ivan I & II certainly look splendid in the versions on Filmstruck, but if these are the restorations going forward to the presumed eventual BluRay issue I hope some effort is given to including ORIGINAL audio tracks. I haven’t tried Alexander Nevsky yet, but the Ivans are replete with overdubs of various kinds, from orchestral score re-recordings (which shift awkwardly back to the original when dialogue is present) to even some lines that have been re-recorded. Thankfully sound effects are not redone with a heavy hand, but this is simply not the original. If it’s all the Russians offer, we may be stuck.

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Re: 86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

#78 Post by unclehulot » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:38 pm

I tested Alexander Nevsky on FilmStruck, and can confirm that in this case (and unlike the older Criterion DVD) the soundtrack IS the correct original track, in all its poor original glory. Before it goes away, I’ll have to compare Filmstruck Ivan I to see if it’s altered as Ivan II obviously is, and compare those to the old DVDs.

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Re: 86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

#79 Post by jegharfangetmigenmyg » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:29 am

zedz wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:27 am
ianthemovie wrote:That's exciting news, if it suggests a reissue. Alexander Nevsky and Ivan the Terrible both underwent restorations recently, no?

The Dreyer box was made of thinner material (like card stock) but the Eisenstein and the Cocteau boxes had the thick cardboard.
Just checked, and my Dreyer box has the same thick card construction as Eisenstein, so maybe there was more than one version. My copy had enough room for that huge catalogue they put out back then, which presumably wasn’t included with later pressings.
I just checked my shelf, and The Ingmar Bergman Trilogy also came in a thick box. Also, curiously (nevermind the pun), the 2-dvd release of the I Am Curious-films is also in a thick cardboard box.

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Re: 86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

#80 Post by Vachel in Valdosta » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:05 pm

Question for Roscoe & unclehulot: So Both NEVSKY & IVAN (I & II) in the EISENSTEIN SOUND boxset had compromised soundtracks? I remember there was a dustup over NEVSKY but don't recall anything amiss with IVAN. It's been quite a while since I've reviewed them and I don't have access to FilmStruck to compare so please let us know what you discover.

As to boxset cardboard strength, my Bergman, Eisenstein, Cocteau and Dreyer were of the ultra thick variety. The thinner cardstock seems to have come into play by the time the Cassavettes and Rohmer were released.

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Re: 86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

#81 Post by Roscoe » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:09 pm

I can't answer for the soundtracks -- what I heard of NEVSKY from my DVR sounded pretty bad, tinny and faint, but the film has never sounded great to my ears anyway.

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Re: 86-88 Eisenstein: The Sound Years

#82 Post by MichaelB » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:29 pm

It was notoriously poorly recorded thanks to Prokofiev experimenting with a microphone technique that didn’t really work, and a Stalin-imposed deadline. So it’s never going to sound great.

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