Kino Lorber Studio Classics: Alfred Hitchcock Releases
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Regarding DVDBeaver's captures of Blackmail, if you measure the width and height of the image in the supposedly 1.20:1 version, you'll notice the aspect ratio is actually 1.10:1! Either DVDBeaver made an error in the captures, or Kino squeezed the image. The 1.33:1 version does have the 1.33:1 dimension, but it is horizontally stretched and not ideal for viewing.
I bought the Vudu streaming version (sound version) that also uses the Studio Canal print, and it is shown in the correct 1.20:1 ratio.
I bought the Vudu streaming version (sound version) that also uses the Studio Canal print, and it is shown in the correct 1.20:1 ratio.
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So somehow even when offering two different aspect ratios, neither is the correct one? I haven’t watched my copy yet, but literal LOLs if true
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Yes, LOLs and WFBs (wait for BFI)
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Are you allowed to have an acronym in an acronym?
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I assumed BFI because their name's been thrown around a lot with regard to early Hitchcock restorations but I have no idea beyond that
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I have the disc and yes it is completely jarring when watching it and looks very unnaturally scrunched in. The 1.33:1 looks better framing-wise when watching but is a worse transfer than the “1.20:1” so it’s a mess.
The silent version looks beautiful though.
The silent version looks beautiful though.
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To make an unscientific comparison, I took the sound and 1.20 silent versions of Beaver's first screenshot (the one with handwriting), cropped them to specific points, and switched back and forth between the two.
They are definitely not the same ratio.
The question is whether these transfers are Kino originals, or if they're using the same ones the RB release will eventually use.
They are definitely not the same ratio.
The question is whether these transfers are Kino originals, or if they're using the same ones the RB release will eventually use.
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So Kino will, as in the past, say there's no problem with the transfer until they release a Hitchcock Box Set that will address the problem with the transfer, and not offer an exchange for those of us who bought the problem discs.
I feel like we've been here before with Kino.
I feel like we've been here before with Kino.
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Most definitely! haha. I'm surprised Kino Insider hasn't jumped in already to defend it. Although I'm still going to pick this up as the silent version is the best version anyway
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Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions
The BFI restored the Hitchcock silents a decade ago as an obviously important cultural project, but they don’t own the rights so can’t do anything with them commercially.swo17 wrote:I assumed BFI because their name's been thrown around a lot with regard to early Hitchcock restorations but I have no idea beyond that
(If they did own them, they’d certainly have come out years ago!)
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The sound 1.33:1 version and the "1.20:1" are identical transfers, other than the change in geometry.kcota17 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:30 pmI have the disc and yes it is completely jarring when watching it and looks very unnaturally scrunched in. The 1.33:1 looks better framing-wise when watching but is a worse transfer than the “1.20:1” so it’s a mess.
The silent version looks beautiful though.
But yes, if this is not Beaver's mess up then Kino presumably have indeed taken a 1.19:1 master and offered it in two versions: stretch-o-vision and squish-o-vision.
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Since I don’t have a Blu-Ray drive, I just took a tape measure to my TV (in one of the more ridiculous moments of my life). There is a bit of overscan on my TV, but I used the police letter writing frame (and could still see rough/rounded frame edge) and had 1.18 on the “1.20” version... so I think DVDBeaver’s caps might be to blame on this one
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Is BFI going to release the new restorations? If so, I'll wait for them.
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Oh bummer. So who owns the rights in the UK?
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StudioCanal. I can see them releasing a Hitchcock box like they did for their UK Godard, Bunuel, and Melville holdings, but who knows
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To the extent you have overscan your measurements are biased high, taking it further away from 1.20:1domino harvey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:34 pmSince I don’t have a Blu-Ray drive, I just took a tape measure to my TV (in one of the more ridiculous moments of my life). There is a bit of overscan on my TV, but I used the police letter writing frame (and could still see rough/rounded frame edge) and had 1.18 on the “1.20” version... so I think DVDBeaver’s caps might be to blame on this one
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Are you suggesting there was somehow a flaw in my idea to just hold a tape measure up to my screen
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The only way I can tell for sure is if you post video of yourself doing it again
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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics: Blackmail, Murder!, and the Early Films of Alfred Hitchcock
It's not likely that DVDBeaver made a mistake, because his captures are in 1920x1080 resolution, which is what you expect. But the actual image area is closer to 1.10:1 than 1.20:1. This can be easily done with the Windows Paint program as shown below. I selected the image area (enclosed by the dotted line) and its dimension came out to be 1205x1071, which is about 1.12:1 ratio. (1205 divided by 1071 = 1.1251.)
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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics: Blackmail, Hitchcock: the British International Pictures, and Murder!
November 26thBefore he became known as the Master of Suspense in Hollywood, Alfred Hitchcock had already established himself as a precociously talented filmmaker in England. Hitchcock: British International Pictures Collection brings together five features he directed for the production company that first displayed his talents. Four of them are visually dynamic silent films: atmospheric boxing drama The Ring, sprightly comedies The Farmer’s Wife and Champagne, and a love triangle set on the Isle of Man, The Manxman. Also included is the 1931 sound feature The Skin Game, a rousing melodrama about feuding families. These features display Hitchcock’s command of visual language long before his Hollywood sojourn, proving he was a master from the beginning.
Special Features:
-Piano scores by Xavier Berthelot (The Ring, The Farmer’s Wife, Champagne, The Manxman)
-Hitchcock/Truffaut: Icon interviews Icon (Archival Audio)
-Audio commentary on The Ring by film critic Nick Pinkerton
-Audio commentaries on Champagne and The Manxman by film historian Farran Smith Nehme