1058 The Irishman
- mfunk9786
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Re: The Irishman (Martin Scorsese, 2019)
I really don't love the way that trailer is edited - can glean next to nothing about the tone of the film and it seems a little... claustrophobic isn't the word, but - I don't know, I was far from dazzled. We'll see when there's more footage, but the film is weirdly dark and muddy.
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It’s very handsomely photographed. The colors of the car wash and the slow motion was particularly nice. For the most part it has that HBO kinda visual range, like The Wire and Sopranos. I didn’t get claustrophobic, as the scope of the picture seems to be pretty wide ranging. We’ll see if it’s able to pull it off. This is easily the most eagerly awaited film for me this year.
However, I didn’t buy the big de-aging reveal.
However, I didn’t buy the big de-aging reveal.
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Seems like a handsome and expensive production but I hope there is some good camerawork here and by the looks of it there likely will be.
The de-aging seems a bit meh. In the sense they knocked off what 5 years of him? I feel that could have been done through make-up too? He looks at best 60 in the last scene and the close-up of his face was okay.
I thought De Niro was supposed to be a young man? I was literally thinking Godfather 2 kinda look. This seems he's throughout 60+.
The de-aging seems a bit meh. In the sense they knocked off what 5 years of him? I feel that could have been done through make-up too? He looks at best 60 in the last scene and the close-up of his face was okay.
I thought De Niro was supposed to be a young man? I was literally thinking Godfather 2 kinda look. This seems he's throughout 60+.
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The film will span decades. They didn't show it all in the trailer.Nasir007 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:19 pmSeems like a handsome and expensive production but I hope there is some good camerawork here and by the looks of it there likely will be.
The de-aging seems a bit meh. In the sense they knocked off what 5 years of him? I feel that could have been done through make-up too? He looks at best 60 in the last scene and the close-up of his face was okay.
I thought De Niro was supposed to be a young man? I was literally thinking Godfather 2 kinda look. This seems he's throughout 60+.
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Yeah but Sheeran was born in 1920. He would've met Hoffa, I believe, in his 30s, the mid to late 1950s. We see the "meeting" in the trailer and De Niro looks like he's in his late 50s at best.Cremildo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:31 pmThe film will span decades. They didn't show it all in the trailer.Nasir007 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:19 pmSeems like a handsome and expensive production but I hope there is some good camerawork here and by the looks of it there likely will be.
The de-aging seems a bit meh. In the sense they knocked off what 5 years of him? I feel that could have been done through make-up too? He looks at best 60 in the last scene and the close-up of his face was okay.
I thought De Niro was supposed to be a young man? I was literally thinking Godfather 2 kinda look. This seems he's throughout 60+.
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Spoilers for the trailer only (because some people like to not know anything):
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If you freeze-frame the trailer at the 1:31 minute mark, it looks like a younger DeNiro with glasses on who is strangling the man from the backseat of the car. If that is him, he looks to be in his 30s, or 40s tops.
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The discourse around the ages of the actors/ages of the real life people/ages of the digitally modified characters is going to be excruciating - already is driving me a little batty and the movie isn't even out yetford wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:25 pmYeah but Sheeran was born in 1920. He would've met Hoffa, I believe, in his 30s, the mid to late 1950s. We see the "meeting" in the trailer and De Niro looks like he's in his late 50s at best.Cremildo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:31 pmThe film will span decades. They didn't show it all in the trailer.Nasir007 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:19 pmSeems like a handsome and expensive production but I hope there is some good camerawork here and by the looks of it there likely will be.
The de-aging seems a bit meh. In the sense they knocked off what 5 years of him? I feel that could have been done through make-up too? He looks at best 60 in the last scene and the close-up of his face was okay.
I thought De Niro was supposed to be a young man? I was literally thinking Godfather 2 kinda look. This seems he's throughout 60+.
Still not convinced, for the recorddomino harvey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:46 pmDid you have this response draft saved for the Irishmanmfunk9786 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:37 pmI've always said we should get more incel users.
Anyway, this movie looks kind of amazing to me? Am I alone? The effects are mind-boggling (I haven't seen the de-aging thing in motion before, to be fair to that opinion), and I cannot wait to see it play out over an entire feature length film with this kind of concept, particularly in the hands of such a master.
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No I believe that istherewillbeblus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:38 pmSpoilers for the trailer only (because some people like to not know anything):
SpoilerShowIf you freeze-frame the trailer at the 1:31 minute mark, it looks like a younger DeNiro with glasses on who is strangling the man from the backseat of the car. If that is him, he looks to be in his 30s, or 40s tops.
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Louis Cancelmi playing “Sally Bugs,” a guy mentioned in the book who did a “bad hit” by strangling someone with a nylon rope.
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Can't say I m thrilled about de-aging becoming a normal practice. It just gives me uncanny valley vibes...
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Thanks @ford and @therewillbeblus. Scorsese is a very scrupulous director (perhaps even the most scrupulous director working today) so we'll see what he has come up with. I can't imagine it being terrible or anything.
I think de-aging in people like Sam Jackson looked pretty decent in Captain Marvel and he was in a lot of it, the second lead almost.
But I hope the usage of de-aging is justified enough. In the sense, we shouldn't come out thinking - couldn't he just have used a different actor for young DeNiro.
I think de-aging in people like Sam Jackson looked pretty decent in Captain Marvel and he was in a lot of it, the second lead almost.
But I hope the usage of de-aging is justified enough. In the sense, we shouldn't come out thinking - couldn't he just have used a different actor for young DeNiro.
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I'm not thrilled either. I thought they did a good job with Sam Jackson in Captain Marvel but then I also wasn't supposed to take that movie very seriously.Murdoch wrote:Can't say I m thrilled about de-aging becoming a normal practice. It just gives me uncanny valley vibes...
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I think this looks rather fantastic.
Certainly one of the more exciting trailers I've seen this year.
Certainly one of the more exciting trailers I've seen this year.
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People who are optimistic about the de-aging: you did watch all the way to that last shot, right? Yikes
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I didn't think that close-up was bad at all.
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Looks very smear-y. Would have to see it in motion to see if it's a convincing enough effect to make all of this worthwhile. That said, I am a little annoyed with the fact that Scorsese seems to have forgotten how many young talented actors are out there, there's no reason whatsoever he had to do this
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I mostly liked the new trailer and feel a bit more optimistic about it across the board (as a film, about the involvement of legendary actors who haven't been particularly choosy with their projects in recent years, about what I saw of the de-aging tech, etc) but can't help wishing, still, that they'd just used either younger actors for the earlier parts or younger actors who they aged up where appropriate, because as a couple others have hinted at I just think conversation about the effects is going to overshadow everything else.
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I guess I can see the point if there are significant stretches where the actor is both young and his current age. As previously suggested, this was done well in Captain Marvel.
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Yeah, essentially the de-aging looks like PlayStation 5 graphics. I haven’t seen Captain Marvel, but black don’t crack...
I’m a little annoyed Villa di Roma (an old school red gravy restaurant) got transported from the Italian Market in Philly to a ridiculously wide New York Street.
I’m a little annoyed Villa di Roma (an old school red gravy restaurant) got transported from the Italian Market in Philly to a ridiculously wide New York Street.
- mfunk9786
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bearcuborg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:40 amYeah, essentially the de-aging looks like PlayStation 5 graphics. I haven’t seen Captain Marvel, but black don’t crack...
No, he legitimately looked 40 years younger in that film. And seamlessly, at that. I have little doubt that The Irishman is still being refined and that Scorsese has access to all the same resources as Ang Lee and [insert Marvel conglomerate director for hire here]
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You just dissed maybe the one (set of) Marvel director(s) that most of us would probably actually know/care about!
- mfunk9786
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They're talented people, I just doubt the film came out much differently than it would have were they not involved
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Still keep seeing some second guessing of Scorsese on his choice to de-age. It was obviously a conscious artistic decision to work with these actors. The collaboration informs the structure and the thematic concerns of the work. A non CGI alternative would radically alter the film.
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If Scorsese wanted to make a movie where different actors played the character at different stages of his life he would have done so. Given that Scorsese is a smart filmmaker, I am sure he has considered the impact of the different approaches available to him.
Here is a director who thinks about what each frame says but he didn't think of how working with a single actor per character would change his film compared to the alternative?