The Future of Home Video

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#501 Post by eerik » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:21 am

I've been looking to buy a 4K UHD Blu-ray player for the last 6 months now, and none of the Samsung models ever came up for serious consideration. Lack of DV support, ugly designs, active cooling fans -- other manufacturers simply offer better products at the same price point.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#502 Post by perkizitore » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:28 am

Unless you are willing to spend big bucks to get a premium Panasonic or Pioneer Player, the best options are Sony X700 (budget Oppo) and some LG models (they may have some DV compatibility issues with some screens).

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#503 Post by eerik » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:14 pm

perkizitore wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:28 am
Unless you are willing to spend big bucks to get a premium Panasonic or Pioneer Player, the best options are Sony X700 (budget Oppo) and some LG models (they may have some DV compatibility issues with some screens).
Since you brought it up, I am willing to spend big bucks, and at the moment I am actually in the process of trying to get an OPPO UDP-203 before it's too late. I spent the past week communicating with local (i.e. Estonian) retailers and they've all run out of stock months ago with no chance of getting any more. Hoping to get one from Germany. If that fails then I guess my next choice would be Cambridge Audio CXUHD, which is basically a rebranded OPPO 203 (and still available in Estonia). At a slightly lower price point I'd go for the 2019 version of Sony's X800(M2), but that's not available until May. X700 would be my "budget option".

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#504 Post by perkizitore » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:05 pm

I didn't mention X800M2 because it hasn't been released yet, plus if they just take the X700 internals and put it on a X800 chassis maybe it won't be worth the price difference. There is speculation of higher end Sony models coming later this year, but there is no concrete information about them. The Sony X700 should be enough for most people unless you have a really high end sound system.


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Re: The Future of Home Video

#506 Post by perkizitore » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:57 pm

I am more surprised that CNET still exists than this announcement.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#507 Post by Finch » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:38 pm

From Variety
In addition to box office revenues, the report found that the global home entertainment business increased by 16% to reach $55.7 billion last year. This was driven primarily by the rise of digital rentals, sales, and subscriptions to streaming services such as Netflix. Digital home entertainment spending in the U.S. increased 24% to $17.5 billion; internationally this sector climbed 34% to $25.1 billion. That helped plug the gap left by massive declines in the sale and rental of DVDs and Blu-rays. In the U.S., disc sales dropped 15% to $5.8 billion and fell 14% internationally to $7.3 billion. Four years ago, physical sales in the U.S. were $10.3 billion and were $14.9 billion internationally, a sign of just how precipitously the DVD market has fallen. Over that same period, digital spending has increased 170% globally. Much of that rise is attributable to the popularity of Netflix, Amazon Prime, and other subscription services. Globally, the number of digital subscriptions increased by 27% to 613.3 million. Online video subscriptions surpassed cable for the first time in 2018. Cable subscriptions fell 2% to 556 million.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#508 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 pm

This from an article featuring Peter Becker on the Criterion Channel thread Here
It doesn’t hurt that Criterion remains a physical media production company. Its treasured box sets and ostentatious special features continue to be a central factor in its operations, and Becker said Blu Ray sales have been up for the past two years. “If we stopped making Blu Rays, there would be a huge uproar. It would be insane,” he said. “It’s still our flagship line. It’s still, by far, the most important part of our financial picture.”

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#509 Post by Rayon Vert » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:45 pm

Good to hear.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#510 Post by Clarence » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:26 pm

For what it's worth, the next PlayStation console will still support physical media. It had been speculated that the next console generation would ditch disc drives in favor of being download-only.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#511 Post by ShellOilJunior » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:31 pm

Clarence wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:26 pm
For what it's worth, the next PlayStation console will still support physical media. It had been speculated that the next console generation would ditch disc drives in favor of being download-only.
It's good news for UHD. Maybe not quite the push PS2 gave DVD or PS3 with Blu-ray but it can only be good. The icing on the cake would be full backwards compatibility with PS1-4 (disc).

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#512 Post by jindianajonz » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:45 pm

Considering Sony developed the Blu-Ray format, I'm not too surprised.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#513 Post by bugsy_pal » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:44 pm

Re UHD players - I was waiting to get the Sony UBP-X800 Mk2, as it will have Dolby Vision. However, after further research I cam across the fairly recent Panasonic DP-UB820. I ordered it from a local supplier here in Australia, and I'm lovin it so far.
- it cost me AUD $560
- nice build, not as heavy as the Sony UBP-x800, but better than the x700, which is very light-weight
- nice implementation of Dolby Vision, reportedly better than Sony's
- has better disc compatibility than the Sony models
- according to reviews and comments I've read and heard, the picture is marginally better than on the Oppo 4K player and the Cambridge Audio universal player

It does have a fan in it, but I haven't been able to hear it when in use.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#514 Post by eerik » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:24 am

jindianajonz wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:45 pm
Considering Sony developed the Blu-Ray format, I'm not too surprised.
I'd say it's more to with Playstation having huge userbase in areas/countries where infrastructure isn't good enough to support 50+ GB game downloads.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#515 Post by tenia » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:45 am

Most certainly indeed.
Remember however that nothing prevented the physical market to plunge. The US one got halved in 4 years (2014 vs 2018), so whatever push this might give will still remain vastly inferior to an equivalent one that PS3 might have given BD or even more PS2 to DVD.
Plus, figures are hard to get, but I'm unsure of the impact of the Xbox One S and X reading UHDs had on the format.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#516 Post by david hare » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:15 pm

perkizitore wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:05 pm
I didn't mention X800M2 because it hasn't been released yet, plus if they just take the X700 internals and put it on a X800 chassis maybe it won't be worth the price difference. There is speculation of higher end Sony models coming later this year, but there is no concrete information about them. The Sony X700 should be enough for most people unless you have a really high end sound system.
I am very late to this so apologies. I could not recommend more highly the Panasonic range of UHD players. The 9000 top of the line beats everything in the market but is expensive. The 820 has all the same very high video and audio specs including Panny’s terrific manual bit mapping for HDR. And the 820 also supports Dolby Vision. The much cheaper mini sized 420 has all of this but not Dolby Vision. I bought one of these for its superb audio processing for CDs. I then bought a second one which I use to feed a 4k projector. Its video processing is superior to the Oppo 203. I got these on sale in NZ for NZD 279 each. They are around this price in Oz.


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Re: The Future of Home Video

#518 Post by swo17 » Wed May 22, 2019 10:08 am

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#519 Post by Luke M » Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 pm

It's still a lot better than when Wal-Mart put Deadpool on the cover of all their movies.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#521 Post by movielocke » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:53 pm

Jack Kubrick wrote:The Film Snob Dilemma
I mean growing up in a small town, video stores were ok for some old stuff, but the simple public library is what had all the classics and foreign films that turned me into a cinephile. As best I can tell even though video rental stores have nearly been rendered extinct, all public libraries still rent videos, but when the author discusses libraries it’s not as them being the still standing survivors with large collections of the great video rental genocide of the early 2010s but only in terms of whether or not kanopy was successful.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#522 Post by RitrovataBlue » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:30 pm

The article doesn’t mention MUBI, of course, since no one ever seems to mention MUBI. Yet, it’s still the best streaming source for the sorts of obscurities the article laments losing. Hell, it might just be the best streaming service in general. Where else can you see Virgil Vernier and Lav Diaz films?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#523 Post by jedgeco » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:09 pm

I came across this Verge article from a few days ago about small groups using Plex to create their own private streaming networks. While this is the first I've read about it in print, it's an idea that I've thought about for awhile now, ever since I started running an Emby server at home. I realize that these users are operating in a legal grey area, but I think that small private networks like this will undoubtedly have their place for future cineastes, especially as the mainstream pay services become increasingly uninterested in back-catalog and non-mainstream fare.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#524 Post by knives » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:13 pm

RitrovataBlue wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:30 pm
The article doesn’t mention MUBI, of course, since no one ever seems to mention MUBI. Yet, it’s still the best streaming source for the sorts of obscurities the article laments losing. Hell, it might just be the best streaming service in general. Where else can you see Virgil Vernier and Lav Diaz films?
Kanopy?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#525 Post by Adam Grikepelis » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:48 pm

Speaking of Kanopy, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for streaming services available in Australia, outside of the big ones like Netflix. Most smaller services that get mentioned here seem to only be available in the US/UK right now, & I’m not really interested in paying for something that tends to cater mostly to blockbusters, DTV shite & original programming. (Netflix has never had the range of content down here as it has (had?) in the US, sadly).

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