Terminator Franchise (1984-∞)

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Re: Terminator Franchise (1984-∞)

#151 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:47 am

Hamilton's believable yet still amazing physical and psychological transformation between the first film and the second is still one of the more impressive and unique ways in which a sequel progressed and expanded its universe in a compelling way that made the sequel feel worth having been made (and possibly better than the first). I would hope that if this is done right, Hamilton (and Schwarzenegger) could be used in an interesting manner that replicates even some of that vibe from the shift from the first to second films. Doesn't seem likely, but I'm open to being surprised.

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#152 Post by knives » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:59 am

Considering some of his recent roles I have to imagine there will be at least some critique of the T-800 in the sequel which could be interesting.

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#154 Post by Morbii » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:34 am

Looks like the 4K T2 blu-ray has been pushed back (again). Amazon is estimating Dec. 31st 2018 now.

Also listed as “currently unavailable” on amazon. This doesn’t bode well.

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#155 Post by MichaelB » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:31 am

Going from feedback from a friend with a review copy, it makes Predator look like a model of accurate grain preservation. I can only hope that the delay is so they can redo it properly, but I’m not overly optimistic.


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#157 Post by colinr0380 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:44 pm

I keep regularly checking YouTube to see if it turns up and finally someone has uploaded Robert McKee's fantastic introduction to The Terminator in his Filmworks season for the BBC back in 1993. This one piece did a lot to introduce me to critical thinking about films, and that even 'pure entertainment' pieces can have aspects that are worth exploring in more detail. I particularly like McKee's comment about the difference between a hero and a villain (which was only strengthened in T2), and the comparison of the structure of the film to that of Greek myth!

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#158 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu May 23, 2019 9:23 am


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Re: Terminator Franchise (1984-∞)

#159 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu May 23, 2019 11:15 am

Looks bad!

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#160 Post by ivuernis » Thu May 23, 2019 11:15 am

DarkImbecile wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 9:23 am
Terminator: Dark Fate trailer
That was underwhelming.

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#161 Post by domino harvey » Thu May 23, 2019 11:19 am

Why would anyone need to cover a Bjork song to be “dark and spooky,” it’s already there— extra work to retread something for lesser results? Hmm, I feel like there’s a parallel here but can’t quite put my regenerating liquid metal exoskeleton finger on it

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#162 Post by swo17 » Thu May 23, 2019 11:49 am


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#163 Post by willoneill » Thu May 23, 2019 1:12 pm

My impression from that teaser is that Arnold is barely in this, in which case ... what’s the point?

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#164 Post by tenia » Thu May 23, 2019 1:53 pm

willoneill wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 1:12 pm
My impression from that teaser is that Arnold is barely in this, in which case ... what’s the point?
The usual marketing ploy, I guess.

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#165 Post by Finch » Thu May 23, 2019 3:50 pm

Cameron has long ceased to be a good filmmaker (I'd even go as far as saying the 84 original is his only truly good film) and the so-so impression of this trailer only reinforces that. Yeah, he is only producing but everyone and now this trailer is playing up his involvement as saying it's going to be a return to form because he's more directly involved.

Two things bug me the most: 1) the pandering fan service-y bits like Linda Hamilton in slow motion 2) the Terminator "looking" like another non-White Caucasian after the Korean guy in Genisys.

Now, I checked and Gabriel Luna is actually American of Mexican parentage, and maybe I'm projecting onto the film, but this feels like more "Othering" of non-Caucasian minorities. That said, Imdb credits a second actor, Brett Azar as "T-800" and Arnie as The Terminator as well as Luna, so... Is Luna supposed to be a younger version of Arnold? But if so, why is he going after Mackenzie Davis?

Re the Hunter cover, maybe they thought the Bjoerk original wouldn't gel with the footage or they were cheapskates and got someone to cover it.

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Re: Terminator Franchise (1984-∞)

#166 Post by Big Ben » Thu May 23, 2019 4:04 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 11:19 am
Why would anyone need to cover a Bjork song to be “dark and spooky,” it’s already there— extra work to retread something for lesser results? Hmm, I feel like there’s a parallel here but can’t quite put my regenerating liquid metal exoskeleton finger on it
It costs less to do a cover version I suppose. See Also: Using a Nirvana cover for Westworld.

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#167 Post by Bumstead » Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm

You're all missing the political genius of Tim Miller: the Mexican T-1000 wreaking havoc in Trump's America!

(Even the CG of the 1991 Terminator 2 was better.)

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#168 Post by Robespierre » Thu May 23, 2019 10:03 pm

As someone who has actually mostly enjoyed the non-Cameron sequels, this looks pretty bad. Or maybe I just need to rewatch the other sequels for perspective. Linda Hamilton pulling out a bazooka to blow up the latest and greatest Terminator model had me laughing out loud.

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#169 Post by ford » Thu May 23, 2019 11:23 pm

Finch wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:50 pm
Now, I checked and Gabriel Luna is actually American of Mexican parentage, and maybe I'm projecting onto the film, but this feels like more "Othering" of non-Caucasian minorities.
I don’t understand your point: you’re saying the role should go to...a white guy?

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#170 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri May 24, 2019 9:14 am

I might be in the minority that T2 was the only good one, being the beneficiary of everything he learned from big-budget filmmaking in the years between his original film and what has to be one of the greatest sequels of all time. The 80's grindhouse aesthetic of the first one didn't do much for me, but the best thing it did was get Cameron Aliens where it proved for awhile (at the very least, in his films for the next decade) he could thrive in that area of action blockbusters.

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Re: Terminator Franchise (1984-∞)

#171 Post by Robespierre » Sat May 25, 2019 12:53 am

They're releasing it in awards season as well, clearly they have high hopes for it!

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