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Re: Second Sight Films (UK)

#351 Post by jsteffe » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:32 am

tenia, besides THE TREE OF WOODEN CLOGS, could you supply me with some additional examples that you have observed of L'Immagine Ritrovata restorations affected by this color shift? I am very much interested in this question and want to research it further.

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#352 Post by tenia » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:15 pm

jsteffe wrote:tenia, besides THE TREE OF WOODEN CLOGS, could you supply me with some additional examples that you have observed of L'Immagine Ritrovata restorations affected by this color shift? I am very much interested in this question and want to research it further.
Your Vice is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key, The Black Cat, What Have You Done to Solange? (color corrected for Arrow), Deep Red (color corrected for Arrow), Dragon Inn, A Touch of Zen, Mariage Italian Style, Death Walks on High Heels, Death Walks at Midnight, The Night Evelyn Came Out of the Grave, The Red Queen Kills Seven Times, The Bloodstained Butterly, Fist of Fury, The Big Boss, Game of Death, Way of the Dragon (all 4 color corrected for Shout), The 10th Victim, Manila in the Claws of Light, Property is no longer a theft, A Better Tomorrow, Once Upon A Time In America, White Vertigo (Olympic movie), Rome 60 - The Grand Olympics (Olympic movie), Purple Noon (Studio Canal restoration), Fellini Roma, Amarcord (new 2015 4K restoration), Hunebelle's Les 3 mousquetaires, Pane e cioccolata, and probably some others I forgot or aren't available on video yet (Santa Vina and KAKABAKABA KA BA? look like they have a similar grading).

What worrying is that their Asian venture titles (the Bruce Lee, notably) show the exact same grading, so they're geographically expanding it.

In some regards, L'amant and Indochine are often perceived as revisionisticly graded. Same goes for Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources. I would also argue that Banzai seems very modernly graded.

They're also not the only ones doing this (though their restorations' grading really have a very specific aspect). Digimages with Les demoiselles de Rochefort and Les parapluies de Cherbourg isn't far away when it comes to white balance, and Eclair have done very yellow things for Gaumont (many many Gaumont Découverte titles are very modernly graded : La 7e victime, Il était une fois un flic, La valise, Une saison en enfer, Coup de tête, Laisse aller c'est une valse, Un nuage entre les dents, Eaux profondes..., but also some Classiques titles like Black Moon, Atlantic City, Marie Antoinette, ...) but not only : Ran (Studio Canal) is also quite off regarding white balance, and many Pathé titles are modern-looking now : La reine Margot, Mort d'un pourri, Pour la peau d'un flic, Garçon, ... Finally, Eclair also are the ones behind L'argent, or the recent Costa-Gavras restorations.
Rather than being overly yellow or pale, their work usually is cold, with strong modern blues.


It's all the more fascinating that I can pretty much pinpoint when it started to happen, because the very first restoration I remember seeing and thinking "god, I've never seen a movie graded that way" was L'homme de Rio in May 2013 (through the TF1 Video release). This is a work by Eclair.


Now, when they do the scanning only but not the grading, the result isn't looking the same at all. A typical example is what Criterion is doing / has done (ie Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion, A Brighter Summer Day or Breaker Morant), because they only very rarely relies on the labs grading, instead using their own colorist Lee Kline. Arrow has started doing this, it seems.

Finally, you don't see Vinegar Syndrome, or Shout, Criterion, Arrow, Warner, Sony, Universal or Fox's restorations looking this way. None of them look yellow like this or blue like this, and more specifically, their movies don't end up having one unique look !



NB : note that I can't say, factually speaking, that Bologna's grading is faithful or not. What I'm debating is how they're giving all the restorations they're grading the same look, despite the concerned movies being totally different and many many other labs never grading movies this way. I'm also debating why we never had movies graded this way before circa 2013, and now, movies graded like this are a recurring thing. I just look like specific laboratories' thing, and my concern is that this is a pretty much the new Magenta Push.
As I wrote in the past, it seems abnormal to me that the movies' photographies are now lost behind the lab's signature. This movie was lit this way ? Printed on this stock ? This person was the DoP ? Marvelous, except it just looks like a Ritrovata grading and there's just no way to find out the movie's specificity now.
For instance, I can already predict how Legend of the Mountain will look, and probably Memories of Underdevelopment too.
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#353 Post by Rayon Vert » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:14 pm

Does someone here have connections to the industry so that an influential film writer may want to publish something about this issue and bring visibility to it, rather than it just remaining a forum topic?

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#354 Post by dwk » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:56 pm

tenia wrote:Game of Death, Way of the Dragon,
Shout color corrected these two as well, but all four of their Bruce Lee titles are OOP.

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#355 Post by pzadvance » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:45 pm

Anyone else just get an Amazon notification that Berlin Alexanderplatz and Heimat were pushed til May?

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#356 Post by swo17 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:52 pm

Yep

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#357 Post by ari101 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:23 am

This is what I got.

"Heimat: Limited Edition Boxset (Blu-Ray)"
Estimated arrival date: March 24 2018 - March 26 2018

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#358 Post by ari101 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:24 pm

Just now......

"Heimat: Limited Edition Boxset (Blu-Ray)"
Estimated arrival date: April 14 2018 - April 16 2018

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#359 Post by jsteffe » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:41 am

Someone at Blu-ray.com has posted photos of the packaging for The Color of Pomegranates.

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#360 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:07 pm

jsteffe wrote:Someone at Blu-ray.com has posted photos of the packaging for The Color of Pomegranates.
Just got my copy come through the post so will check it out soon.

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#361 Post by jsteffe » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:56 pm

For those of you who have a subscription to Sight and Sound, there is a very nice review of The Colour of Pomegranates special edition by Michael Brooke in the latest (April 2018) issue, on page 84.

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#362 Post by Caligula » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:24 pm

The Changeling up for pre-order on 25 June

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#363 Post by jsteffe » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:46 pm

Review of The Colour of Pomegranates on The Digital Fix.

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#364 Post by kekid » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:36 pm

Berlin Alexanderplatz delayed to 25th of May.

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#365 Post by jsteffe » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:46 am

Review of The Colour of Pomegranates on The Geek Show.

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#366 Post by Apperson » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:51 pm

DVDBeaver review of Heimat.

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#367 Post by dda1996a » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:32 pm

Out of curiosity, are the other parts of Heimat available anywhere?
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#368 Post by McCrutchy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:41 am

No, but there is a Blu-ray of the same program from Studiocanal Germany, which, interestingly, is in 1080/50i:

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=7251&d2=7253&c=2945

I wonder what the correct speed is for this, as I had understood it should be 25 fps, not 24 fps like the Second Sight Blu-ray...

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#369 Post by dda1996a » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:05 am

What do you mean same program? The first part of Heimat just released by Second Sight?

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#370 Post by McCrutchy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:12 am

dda1996a wrote:What do you mean same program? The first part of Heimat just released by Second Sight?
Yes.

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#371 Post by dda1996a » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:16 am

Well that seems unnecessary considering this release.

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#372 Post by McCrutchy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:01 am

dda1996a wrote:Well that seems unnecessary considering this release.
I'm not sure what that means, as the German release is not English-friendly, and in any event, was released over two years ago, in November 2015. Incidentally, there is also a Dutch Blu-ray release from Lumiere that came out in March 2016, and also claims to be 1080/50i.

It would be a shame if the intended speed of this restored version is 25 fps, because realistically, the Second Sight Blu-ray is the only edition that could present it properly, with English subtitles. If Berlin Alexanderplatz is also 1080p on the Second Sight release, that would definitely be a shame, too, as that series is certainly native 25 fps, and is presented that way on the German Blu-ray released last year.

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#373 Post by dda1996a » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:49 am

I asked if the other parts are available. You said no, which answered my question. But why will I need an older release that's not even English friendly? That's what I meant by unnecessary

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#374 Post by patreig » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:03 am

McCrutchy wrote:No, but there is a Blu-ray of the same program from Studiocanal Germany, which, interestingly, is in 1080/50i:

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=7251&d2=7253&c=2945

I wonder what the correct speed is for this, as I had understood it should be 25 fps, not 24 fps like the Second Sight Blu-ray...
The length of the first episode is exactly the same on the german BR from Studio Canal (01:59:35:320 as indicated on caps-a-holic.com) and the UK BR from Second Sight (01:59:35:320 as indicated on the Beaver review). It must be 25fps in both cases.

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#375 Post by tenia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:07 am

The more complete answer was interesting because it might be pointing out a technical mistake in Second Sight's presentation.

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