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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:13 am 
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That's why it's so unfortunate that they are where all the time, money and investment end up going.

For me, I'd much rather see quality actors in quality films, but the dumbing down of cinema has meant that even if great actors get significant roles in quality films, most of the time, those films get small budgets, and consequently, end up on the smaller screens in the cinema, or worse, never end up at your cinema at all, unless you're lucky enough to live in New York City or Los Angeles.

For example, the other day, I had to watch Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri on one of the smallest screens at my local 24-screen multiplex, despite me seeing it on its first day in the theater. And why? Well, because all the major screens were taken up by Justice League or Coco (or occasionally, possibly Wonder), with the tanking comic book movie still spending at least most of each day on all the biggest screens, in spite of it opening ten days before.

The only brilliant and/or challenging films I've been able to see on the best screens have been the ones that get IMAX releases, or otherwise happen to be thought of as "commercial", which means it was Blade Runner 2049 in IMAX DMR on opening day, Coco at a Tuesday night "preview", and of course, the glorious Dunkirk, opening day in IMAX 15/70 (twice in a row, because it was a day long trip) and then again in standard 70mm at a theater closer to home. Otherwise, I'm stuck with the smaller screens, even on opening day, and at that point, with a 2K DCP for most of these films, a Blu-ray in my home theater setup gets uncomfortably close to the same quality, with a lot less hassle, and significantly more convenience.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:01 am 
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McCrutchy wrote:
That's why it's so unfortunate that they are where all the time, money and investment end up going.

It's hard to blame studios for trying to give what seemingly the audience is craving.
If people would definitely stop making these movies so profitable in most of the cases, studios would stop doing them, or at least slow down.
What seems extremely silly to me though is the absurd budget given to these. Can't they really be done for a bit cheaper ?


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:12 am 
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They can most certainly be done for cheaper. Deadpool had such a limited budget they turned it into a self aware gag involving the X-Men Academy. Note, NSFW. Deadpool was made for 58 million and grossed 783 million. They can certainly make these films without a colossal budget and turn in a massive profit.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:40 pm 
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They can most certainly be done for cheaper. Deadpool had such a limited budget they turned it into a self aware gag involving the X-Men Academy. Note, NSFW. Deadpool was made for 58 million and grossed 783 million. They can certainly make these films without a colossal budget and turn in a massive profit.

The first Iron Man also had a modest budget and it made a massive profit. Still, I don't mind huge budgets that provides us with good effects, like Guardians of the Galaxy, as long as the film is good. While I agree that there are several of the Marvel films that are mediocre, like Iron Man 2, Thor 2, and Age of Ultron, most of the other ones are really good films, with some excellent ones like Winter Soldier, GotG 1 & 2 and Doctor Strange.

Hollywood will always be Hollywood and studios will imitate what is successful somewhere else and sometimes prevent from good, original projects coming out, but I've always said, there are good movies, of all genres, still being produced. Directors like Nolan have leveraged themselves into being able to do the films they want by doing superhero films and being successful at it. The same way buddy cop/reckeless cop/big guns action/comedy films dominated the 80's, now we have the era of the comic book film. It translate well from the medium it's sourced and as long as Marvel keeps doing it well, it will continue.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:05 pm 
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I agree with your sentiments for the most part. Hollywood is going to be Hollywood regardless of what anyone posts on this forum. And now that they've made those big bucks they're not going to stop anytime soon (At least Marvel.)

I'm more than willing to admit that I don't consider many of them "great". I think a majority of them are simple popcorn flicks that are worth their run-time if you're out on a date or with the kids. Aside from Logan (Which I really liked) I don't think I've seen a single one of these films that I legitimately thought was particularly interesting to me in the long term on any level. In fact in the time since this craze started I really only consider Logan and The Dark Knight to something that's really stuck in my brain.

I do however see one very interesting prospect for them and that's minority representation. Black Panther is going to be a big deal for my black friends and that cultural milestone is important. It's important to remember that superheroes are really popular with kids and in this current political climate (At least here in the US) having a black hero up on screen is really great for them.


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 Post subject: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:52 pm 
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Black Panther also benefits from being directed by the only name I’ve heard of outside of Marvel. I know there’s been discussion about how these films are mostly studio films akin to the golden days but I’m hoping Coogler will give it some flair like he did for Creed.

Edit: Ok, Whedon but he sucks.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:01 am 
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Really? You hadn't heard of Shane Black, Taika Waititi or Kenneth Branagh?


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:30 am 
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Really? You hadn't heard of Shane Black, Taika Waititi or Kenneth Branagh?

Forgot about Black. Did Branagh do one of the Thor movies? I only saw Ragnarok and still don’t know about Waititi.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:32 am 
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Or Favreau ignoring quality for a moment. They've done surprisingly few pure journeymen considering the nature of these things.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:37 am 
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The Russo brothers have made several of them--are you not familiar with their TV work (Arrested Development, Community, Happy Endings)?


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:47 am 
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swo17 wrote:
The Russo brothers have made several of them--are you not familiar with their TV work (Arrested Development, Community, Happy Endings)?

I know those shows but I don’t follow tv directors. It makes sense though why Russo brothers have had perhaps better quality films having come from producer-driven tv world.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:34 am 
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I mean, ultimately I don't think your point is an unfair one- Marvel seems generally to want a relatively anonymous house style, and the movies that escape that (Black's, Ragnarok, the Guardians movies) are the exception rather than the rule, to the degree that Marvel actually cut the legs out from under Ant-Man seemingly to enforce a more anonymous style. I think the Russo brothers are a good fit here- they do good, engaging work with whatever material they're handed, very much in a classic studio director Michael Curtiz kind of mold (and I don't think you're wrong that coming off of TV direction makes that easier for them.) I think Marvel is loosening up a bit, though- the only real 'who?' director of phase 3 is Scott Derrickson, who did Doctor Strange, and that actually has what is maybe the most interesting use of extensive cg of any movie in the MCU. (You could also add Jon Watts, who directed the new Spider-Man, but I don't think Feige and co were calling the shots on that one, so it probably doesn't really factor into a discussion of their artistic choices.) Meanwhile, you've got Coogler, Waititi, and James Gunn (who isn't a huge name, but who has a very clear signature to his work) pushing in the direction of more distinctive, more auteurist entries.

I do hope they don't shoot them for 3d anymore though- I greatly enjoyed Ragnarok but the ugly over-bright lighting for 3d turned a number of beautiful tableaux into ugly setpieces, which I don't know that good directors can necessarily prevent.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:27 am 
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The thing that I'm, perhaps over optimistically, hoping for is for all the weird and strange 'unofficial' comic book movie offshoots that turn up from around the world and put their own spins on similar material, but that is probably impossible in the same way as it was back in the 60s through to the 80s. I know that the Italian film industry has been in the doldrums for decades now, but I'm really missing the rough-and-ready equivalent of a Starcrash (incidentally this is how I'm imagining Christopher Plummer is going to appear in that re-jigged All The Money In The World film!) or Kinji Fukasaku's Message From Space to amusingly contrast against (or cash in on!) the thundering corporate might of a Star Wars franchise.

(Though I suppose it could be argued that we have been getting something like an 'international comic book adaptation' trend with adaptations of graphic novels like Persepolis!)


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:55 am 
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It might be me being biased against all this wave of movies but I didn't feel any of the "auteur" hired by Marvel pushed any of their movies in a very distinctive personal way. Gunn made the Guardians fun and lighter and meta but the material was like this to being with. And all Black managed to do with IM3 was shoving an unneeded buddy movie that didn't save anything at all but further made the film stupider than it already was but in the end, I doubt these movies would be massively different if helmed by somebody else.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:29 am 
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Having only seen the 3rd X-Men directed by Brett Ratner and having a general idea of who the main characters are from trailers and bits and pieces from the other movies, I was surprised to find Logan something enjoyable just on it's own as a hybrid of hard-R action/drama and the more fantastical elements of that world. Things that were alluded to that I have no reference to didn't weigh it down much for me* and I found the idea of the comic books themselves as a plot device very clever.

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[Reveal] Spoiler:
Just before he's killed off am I to believe that Richard E. Grant character is Magento's son? Or is it someone else?


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:29 pm 
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In regards to flyonthewall's question about Logan:

[Reveal] Spoiler:
No he's the man who created a sort of eugenics thing that's put into corn syrup which prevents the mutant gene from activating on the genome essentially ensuring no new mutants are born. One of the concepts in the film is that mutants are to be created by private companies and monetized as seen with the Logan clone and all the young children. He's not a mutant bad guy just a corporate one.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:16 pm 
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[Reveal] Spoiler:
Sounds very like Scanners!


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:48 pm 
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colinr0380 wrote:
The thing that I'm, perhaps over optimistically, hoping for is for all the weird and strange 'unofficial' comic book movie offshoots that turn up from around the world and put their own spins on similar material, but that is probably impossible in the same way as it was back in the 60s through to the 80s. I know that the Italian film industry has been in the doldrums for decades now, but I'm really missing the rough-and-ready equivalent of a Starcrash (incidentally this is how I'm imagining Christopher Plummer is going to appear in that re-jigged All The Money In The World film!) or Kinji Fukasaku's Message From Space to amusingly contrast against (or cash in on!) the thundering corporate might of a Star Wars franchise.

(Though I suppose it could be argued that we have been getting something like an 'international comic book adaptation' trend with adaptations of graphic novels like Persepolis!)

Closest modern equivalent I can think of is Empires of the Deep, a Chinese $130 million 3D mermaid epic that was basically jumping on the Avatar bandwagon, but sadly it's never been released.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:43 pm 
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Oh my goodness, that incessant temp track music is hilarious


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:14 pm 
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Gore Verbinski has left the Gambit movie, and Fox has delayed the X-Men horror spin-off New Mutants to February 2019 from its planned April bow. Deadpool 2 has now been pushed up to May 18th, only two weeks after Avengers and a week before Solo’s supposed release.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:56 pm 
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Fox has delayed the X-Men horror spin-off New Mutants to February 2019 from its planned April bow
Wow, there have been posters up for this for weeks. I was a huge fan of the run of issues the storyline of the film covers, but after seeing the teaser trailer...zero interest in seeing the movie.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:16 am 
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Ribs wrote:
Gore Verbinski has left the Gambit movie, and Fox has delayed the X-Men horror spin-off New Mutants to February 2019 from its planned April bow. Deadpool 2 has now been pushed up to May 18th, only two weeks after Avengers and a week before Solo’s supposed release.

I didn't realize that Deadpool 2 was releasing at such a crowded time. Barring a miracle, there goes its shot at outperforming the first film (which I really enjoyed). :(


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:22 pm 
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Black Panther is killing it with critics. Reviews are really positive.

[Reveal] Spoiler:
Currently waiting for an outspoken White to see it. Armond.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:49 pm 
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That makes me feel better. My son has been talking about it non stop for months and is super hyped for it so no matter what I'd be taking him to see it.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:45 pm 
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[quote="Big Ben"]Black Panther is killing it with critics. Reviews are really positive.

"It currently has a 100 percent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, though the site has been forced to release a statement condemning attempts by an alt-right hate group to sabotage its audience score, as it did with Star Wars: The Last Jedi."

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