Bernardo Bertolucci on DVD

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Steven H
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Partner (Bertolucci, 1968)

#26 Post by Steven H » Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:38 am

This was definitely one of my favorite DVDs that I chanced upon last year (a gift from my thoughtful girlfriend). Admittedly, I'm not the biggest Bertolucci fan, but so many things fascinated me about it (it probably helps that I had just read The Double) that I'm anxious to give his films that I've seen another chance. I can't claim to have much insight either, but the film is obviously interesting on a purely visual level, and extremely successful in making the personal political. As I was walking past my DVD collection the other day, I saw the spine and was reminded at how much I enjoyed it. I'll have to take another look (when I have time).

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La Luna

#27 Post by thomega » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:35 pm

Dylan wrote:The German DVD came out last Tuesday. Has anybody seen it yet? Are there forced English subtitles when accessing the English audio?
I received it today. There are two sets of german subtitles: one only for the short pieces of italian dialogue and the other for everything. One can switch freely among these two and no subtitles at all. One can switch freely between the german and the english soundtrack. There are no english subtitles for the italian dialogue.

I haven't watched the complete film yet, but the transfer looks very nice on my PAL 16:9 CRT.

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#28 Post by Dylan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:41 pm

I'm ordering La Luna no matter what because I don't think there's a remote chance this will be on R1 anytime soon, but how much Italian dialogue is there?

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#29 Post by thomega » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:35 pm

Dylan wrote:how much Italian dialogue is there?
As I said, I haven't watched the movie in its entirety, but there appears to be very little italian dialogue. It's not among protagonists, but people on the street or rude spectators chatting in the opera during an aria, etc. It's probably more important as texturing than as textual information.

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#30 Post by jonjao » Mon May 01, 2006 6:56 pm

Just got the German La Luna DVD. Print is superb - image is very sharp and colors are strong (and what gorgeously fluid camera movement!) English soundtrack is excellent and no forced subtitles. It is still for me a very strange movie, difficult to watch at times since it veers from the sublime to the (campy and) ridiculous quite jarringly. I adore Bertolucci's work, but unlike, say, Before the Revolution or The Conformist which I can watch again and again, La Luna (and 1900 as well, for me) can be tough-going.

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#31 Post by Lino » Thu May 04, 2006 10:47 am

Those caps look decent enough even though in my VHS copy, the scene of the lake with the ducks has more vivid colors than the one represented here. Let's hope a R1 is forthcoming. Or R2, for that matter.

La Luna comes out in Italy on the 16th of this month

La Luna is available on you tube in 15 parts (!).

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#32 Post by Dylan » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:11 pm

Besides, "Luna" is definitely not a film you can do justice to watching on Youtube. It looks absolutely gorgeous and should be watched on a television, especially since a wonderful-looking DVD is available.

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#33 Post by Lino » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:09 am

DVDBeaver reviews the german edition of La Luna.

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#34 Post by Barmy » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:22 pm

Caught Luna last night at Film Forum in a ravishing print (paired, naturally, with "White Dog"). One of BB's best films.

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#35 Post by Michael » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:32 pm

The Spider's Strategem and Luna are BB's best films period. Not Conformist. Not 1900. Not Paris. Not Emperor.

Sorry for the shout out.

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#36 Post by Barmy » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:39 pm

I might agree. Those two are certainly the most enjoyable of the 5. What an amazing run of 5 films over a 10 year period.

Oops--don't put Emperor in that list.

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#37 Post by chaddoli » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:48 pm

I saw La Luna last night as well and thought it was a pretentious piece of shit. I hated that film. I would have walked out if not for White Dog. A fucking bore. 1900, The Conformist, The Grim Reaper and Last Tango are leaps and bounds better than this film.

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#38 Post by ranaing83 » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:34 am

I'm in between on La Luna. At times it certainly feels pretentious and forced, and the acting isn't always the strongest, but the film has a strange, indescribable pull, and it is certainly beautiful to watch. I don't think it is Bertolucci's best, but it is far from terrible. Still, to me, The Conformist, Last Tango, and Spider's Strategem are the better films.

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#39 Post by Barmy » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:25 pm

I would have walked out if not for White Dog.
Perhaps the first time that "White Dog" has kept an impatient viewer in their seat for "Luna".

I might argue that "LTiP" is the most pretentious piece of shit ever made. I won't, but I might. At least "Luna" has some remote bearing on reality. Plus you gotta love the way BB revisits scenes from virtually all of his previous movies.

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#40 Post by david hare » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:12 pm

Everybody probably now acknowledges Jill Clayburgh is terribly miscast in Luna, despite which she still gives a strong performance, and she obviously understands what BB is trying to do with the movie (her scenes with Matthew Barry are very brave.)

But the great set pieces are still the two Verdi numbers - the Act 1 Scene 2 trio from Il Trovatore (which has some fairly incidental commentary on the movie's narrative itself viz Jill and the two suitors) and of course the insane finale of the outdoor rehearsal from Ballo in Maschera in which he sort of brings together all these disparately Freudian elements of father, son, mother, identity, moon, and god knows what else. The sheer crazy audacity is what I'm most taken with in the movie. Nobody else could have done this incredible reprise of his own earlier movies' psychoanalytical identity meanderings and cast them in the form of a big grand melodrama - even in the late 70s. Maybe you have to love Berto to love Luna? I certainly do - or at least I did until The Dreamers.

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#41 Post by Ovader » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:28 pm

I received an e-mail from Emilio Oliveira of New Yorker Films:
New Yorker Films no longer distributes THE SPIDER'S STRATAGEM, and I'm afraid I don't know who currently distributes the film.
I had contact from Vittorio Storaro and he is more than happy to supervise the HD transfer of the film whenever a DVD distributor is interested.

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#42 Post by zedz » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:34 pm

Ovader wrote:I had contact from Vittorio Storaro and he is more than happy to supervise the HD transfer of the film whenever a DVD distributor is interested.
I heard Storaro is happy to supervise the transfer of any film, whether or not he originally shot it, and whittle it down to 2:1 as his personal contribution to cosmic transcendence. I'm really looking forward to his forthcoming Ambersons.

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#43 Post by HerrSchreck » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:44 pm

Sorta feels icky when one of your personal heros turns into a total weirdo. Who knew that 2.0 was a secret branch of SCientology?

It is 2.0 ver2.0

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#44 Post by Dylan » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:07 pm

Once again, I'll advise anybody on here not to watch "Luna" on Youtube, it looks like crap compressed to their online file size and doesn't do justice to Storaro's cinematography (well, and one of my favorite shots, where the kid skates down the hallway, is cut in half!).

Am I the only one on here who doesn't think Storaro's crazy? Revisionist? Debatable on The Last Emperor, but I agree with his decisions/reasoning in regards to Apocalypse (the DVD is basically the 70mm framing and I can live with that). And personally, on some deep level, I understand his Univisium proposal.

Tango in Univisium 2.00:1

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Fuckin' gorgeous.

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#45 Post by jsteffe » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:36 pm

Ovader wrote:I received an e-mail from Emilio Oliveira of New Yorker Films:
New Yorker Films no longer distributes THE SPIDER'S STRATAGEM, and I'm afraid I don't know who currently distributes the film.
I had contact from Vittorio Storaro and he is more than happy to supervise the HD transfer of the film whenever a DVD distributor is interested.
I just sent an email to Criterion's "suggestions" email address urging them to consider picking up the rights to this one if they haven't already.

But here's my completely speculative take on this: if it's correct that New Yorker doesn't have the rights to it any longer, and if no one else has optioned them already, then Criterion has already picked up the rights for THE SPIDER'S STRATEGEM or is seriously considering it. Criterion obviously knows who Bertolucci is, and they just finished working with Storaro on THE LAST EMPEROR. There's no way they can't be aware of the situation.

I'm just praying that some cut-rate outfit (I won't name any names!) hasn't beat Criterion to the punch and is nurturing their own nefarious plans to forever soil the mysterious beauty of THE SPIDER'S STRATEGEM by releasing an inferior Region 1 transfer on the cheap.

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Coffret Bertolucci

#46 Post by tojoed » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:58 am

Coffret Bertolucci: Coming from Gaumont Columbia Tri-Star on 28 March 2008. This set is "La Luna" and "Tragedy of a Ridiculous Man". Unfortunately there are no English subs on "Tragedy", but there are French.

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#47 Post by Awesome Welles » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:01 pm

jsteffe wrote:
Ovader wrote:I received an e-mail from Emilio Oliveira of New Yorker Films:
New Yorker Films no longer distributes THE SPIDER'S STRATAGEM, and I'm afraid I don't know who currently distributes the film.
I had contact from Vittorio Storaro and he is more than happy to supervise the HD transfer of the film whenever a DVD distributor is interested.
I just sent an email to Criterion's "suggestions" email address urging them to consider picking up the rights to this one if they haven't already.

But here's my completely speculative take on this: if it's correct that New Yorker doesn't have the rights to it any longer, and if no one else has optioned them already, then Criterion has already picked up the rights for THE SPIDER'S STRATEGEM or is seriously considering it. Criterion obviously knows who Bertolucci is, and they just finished working with Storaro on THE LAST EMPEROR. There's no way they can't be aware of the situation.
Agreed entirely. I would say they are working on this now, how could they pass it up if they had the chance? I'm sending them an email now!

Thanks for the tip Dr. Amicus.

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Bertollucci

#48 Post by PNeski » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:40 pm

But I agree with his decisions/reasoning in regards to Apocalypse (the DVD is basically the 70mm framing and I can live with that).

No its 2.1 Not 2.2 or 2.35:1. Didn't you see this in the theatre last time and notice the sides of the frame?

Nothing wrong with 2.1 if he shoots it that way, but to crop the sides of AN or the Emperor just because his new bag is 2.1 is insane.

As for "Tango" the problem isn't Storaro, it's the Director, he has no eye.

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#49 Post by King Prendergast » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:17 pm

in the March/April issue of Film Comment they have La Luna and Tragedy of a Ridiculous Man as forthcoming from a company called "Opening". Can anyone confirm this? Where is this company from?

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#50 Post by ptmd » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:47 pm

It's a new French release available here

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