The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles, 2018)

Discussions of specific films and franchises.
Post Reply
Message
Author
User avatar
bearcuborg
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:30 am
Location: Philadelphia via Chicago

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#101 Post by bearcuborg » Tue May 12, 2015 8:31 am

Sure, mmhmm... :roll:

Anyway, here's this on the latest Blogdanovich.
Last edited by bearcuborg on Wed May 13, 2015 8:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
hearthesilence
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:22 am
Location: NYC

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#102 Post by hearthesilence » Wed May 13, 2015 3:38 pm

They just added some new perks, including a "Special Thanks" credit in the movie. ($750) Also Wes Anderson and Noah Baumbach just posted a video of support.

User avatar
captveg
Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:28 pm

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#103 Post by captveg » Wed May 13, 2015 5:33 pm

Looks like the $50k Welles scrapbook is no longer listed, too (rather than being listed as purchased).

User avatar
domino harvey
Dot Com Dom
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:42 pm

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#104 Post by domino harvey » Wed May 13, 2015 5:37 pm

Beatrice Welles held that far too much adhesive was used in re-adhering some of the newsprint elements into the scrapbook and so it had to go for not matching Welles' intended vision, unless of course the Indiegogo redirected its recipient to be an exciting new handbag project involving gold-flecked fringe

User avatar
swo17
Bloodthirsty Butcher
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
Location: SLC, UT

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#105 Post by swo17 » Wed May 13, 2015 5:40 pm

Seriously though, why are there not more handbag rewards? Do they want this project to fail?


User avatar
pzadvance
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:24 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#107 Post by pzadvance » Fri May 15, 2015 6:41 pm

For anyone who was skeptical about donating before, Brett Ratner is here to change your mind

User avatar
Drucker
Your Future our Drucker
Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 9:37 am

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#108 Post by Drucker » Fri May 15, 2015 8:08 pm

I know it's not right to tell other people what to do with their money, but hopefully these directors can give afford a meaningful contribution that will put this over the top.

User avatar
solaris72
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:03 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#109 Post by solaris72 » Sat May 16, 2015 5:05 pm

Drucker wrote:I know it's not right to tell other people what to do with their money, but hopefully these directors can give afford a meaningful contribution that will put this over the top.
Yeah, Ratner and Abrams alone could probably finance this with money they forgot they even had.

User avatar
hearthesilence
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:22 am
Location: NYC

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#110 Post by hearthesilence » Mon May 18, 2015 2:36 pm

The perks have evolved a bit more. Meanwhile they're a few thousand short of $200k after 12 days.

User avatar
captveg
Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:28 pm

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#111 Post by captveg » Mon May 18, 2015 6:26 pm

The new various producer credits seem to be directly marketed towards the Hollywood crowd that everyone seems to be complaining about.

User avatar
hearthesilence
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:22 am
Location: NYC

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#112 Post by hearthesilence » Thu May 28, 2015 6:54 pm

It's getting pretty bad. 18 days left and they haven't even hit a quarter of a million.

User avatar
captveg
Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:28 pm

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#113 Post by captveg » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:48 pm

They moved the deadline back another couple weeks (currently at 30 days), and are at 24% of funding. Still haven't sold any of the high dollar producer rewards.

hollis
Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:13 pm

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#114 Post by hollis » Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:53 am

It looks like they also halved the amount they're raising, from $2 million to $1 million.

User avatar
FrauBlucher
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:28 pm
Location: Greenwich Village

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#115 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:42 am

Maybe one of the few (cough, cough) deep pockets from Hollywood changed their minds and decided it was worthwhile.
Last edited by FrauBlucher on Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
J Wilson
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:26 am
Contact:

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#116 Post by J Wilson » Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:14 pm

Apparently they've found matching funds in Europe, hence the drop to a million. Still seems like they won't make it, but we'll see.

User avatar
hearthesilence
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:22 am
Location: NYC

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#117 Post by hearthesilence » Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:27 pm

At this point, a quarter of a million in a month will definitely be tough - probably most, if not all, of the likely supporters who aren't extremely wealthy are already on board.

But bear in mind, there's a long list of auteurs from Steven Spielberg to Steven Soderbergh who have gotten or personally coughed up much more money to help out filmmakers they've admired.

criterion10

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#118 Post by criterion10 » Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:59 pm

The only way this campaign will reach its goal is if a wealthy auteur like a Spielberg steps in and does the right thing.

Which leads me to ask -- what will happen if this campaign does not reach $1 million? So much already has been done that it seems like the film will still be completed at some point, no?

User avatar
captveg
Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:28 pm

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#119 Post by captveg » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:29 am

I don't think the campaign will end. They'll just kick the funding down the road another month, rinse/repeat.

User avatar
J Wilson
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:26 am
Contact:

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#120 Post by J Wilson » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:12 am

criterion10 wrote:The only way this campaign will reach its goal is if a wealthy auteur like a Spielberg steps in and does the right thing.

Which leads me to ask -- what will happen if this campaign does not reach $1 million? So much already has been done that it seems like the film will still be completed at some point, no?
If they don't get to a million in 30 days, they don't get the matching million in funds from Europe, but would keep whatever they did raise. I don't know where that leaves the producers in terms of where to go next, though.

User avatar
ShellOilJunior
Joined: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:17 am

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#121 Post by ShellOilJunior » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:09 pm

I can understand the reluctance to donate. This film's completion has been rumored for so many years. Back in 2006 when I met Bogdanovich at a book signing he said they hoped to get the film released soon on Showtime.

Now we're to believe it needs $2,000,000 worth of work to complete but back in 2006 it was sort of "close" to completion?

User avatar
hearthesilence
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:22 am
Location: NYC

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#122 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:00 pm

Unless they're extremely wealthy and in a position to be generous (i.e. Spielberg), it's ludicrous to think a filmmaker like Noah Baumbach or Wes Anderson is going to give money when they can barely finance their own films.

User avatar
Roger Ryan
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:04 pm
Location: A Midland town spread and darkened into a city

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#123 Post by Roger Ryan » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:12 pm

I believe all the talk of "close to completion" in years past was in relation to clearing the legal obstacles to finish the film. Now those obstacles have been cleared and money is needed to simply transfer the miles of negative and complete all of the post-production. When SHOWTIME was still a player in this over a decade ago, the figure being bandied about was $3 million. Given that the producers believe they can deliver a finished product for $2 million in today's dollars probably means that considerable money has already been spent. The producers hoped to get the remaining funds through a distribution deal (note that SHOWTIME is no longer involved although the man behind that deal made a respectable donation to the Indiegogo campaign). When distributors wanted to see something closer to a finished product before closing a deal, the producers started up the crowd-funding campaign.

User avatar
whaleallright
Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:56 am

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#124 Post by whaleallright » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:51 pm

/snipped/
Last edited by whaleallright on Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:37 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
hearthesilence
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:22 am
Location: NYC

Re: The Other Side of the Wind (Orson Welles)

#125 Post by hearthesilence » Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:41 pm

You didn't understand what I said, and it doesn't sound like you quite understand what post-production would generally involve in terms of cost.

If Wes Anderson has a movie with, say, Bill Murray, Tilda Swinton, Bruce Willis/George Clooney/pick-an-A-list-star attached, no, it's not hard to find someone who will put up some money for it. But to make it financially work - i.e. what he needs to physically produce what's on screen and what he can actually raise to finance the film - anyone who works on his films typically takes a big pay cut. In the case of the stars, that usually means working for scale, something they've all mentioned many times in interviews. (Bill Murray on The Grand Budapest Hotel: "It’s this crazy thing where you’re asked to work long hours. You end up spending more money on tips than you make on the movie.”) It can even mean unorthodox demands like having the actors deal with their own make-up, etc. He can get actors to agree to that because of who he is, but it's still asking a lot. It's not like everyone drops everything, pushes potential projects aside and gladly lets their income stream take a huge hit the second he approaches them about a movie he wants to do. Financially, it takes a lot of effort to make these happen.

Second, "hiring a few folks to assemble to footage according to Welles's notes" isn't inaccurate, but it's like saying "you need bypass surgery so let's pay a few folks to get you back on your feet," it glances over a boatload of important details. This is an avant-garde film, how detailed do you think Welles' notes can be? I highly doubt he's got pages telling them exactly which frame of which reel to use at exactly which spot at what duration, if it were that specific, you can probably get anyone who knows how to use the equipment to do it. Furthermore, they're hiring people who have done work on high profile projects, which means not only paying everyone union pay, but setting them up at a post-production house - equipment, time, space, etc. costs a lot of money. If there's anything they need to clear - and in this day and age, a lot of stuff has to be cleared unless you want to deal with more lawsuits - that can cost a lot of money too. (And I'm not talking about ownership rights of the film, I mean mundane stuff that eats up a lot of time and money - if you have something in the background of a shot that's copyrighted, that's something you'd need to clear.) The process of finishing a film - even to just make a DCP - will cost a lot with something that was originally shot on film. It's not like a college student who can just go back to some video footage he has on a hard drive, the on-line process alone will cost a hefty amount of change.

If this was a micro budget film limited to a few festivals, you can probably get away with a lot of stuff, but for something that's (hopefully) going to be made widely available, there's a lot to deal with.

Post Reply