2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#201 Post by PfR73 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:16 pm

I saw the 4K restoration about a week ago at Austin Film Society; it looked much closer to the 2007 Blu-Ray in that "comparison" video and almost nothing like the "unrestored trailer." No yellow bias that I could see, most ships/spacestations/etc. were variations of white/grey/eggshell. The only shot that seemed very different was the tunnel inside Discovery to the pod-bay, but in the 4K restoration, it looked much more warm-orange, rather than yellow, while the view of the pod-bay at the end of the tunnel (in the same shot) has the a white/grey/eggshell color. And then when the tunnel is seen in the background of shots from inside the pod-bay, it has the orange tinge, which indicates to me that it's either supposed to be that way, or they would have had to have gone out of their way to isolate those background pieces in every shot from inside the pod-bay and change only that part, which seems unlikely.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:57 pm
Saw this the other night, advertised as the new restoration. I had absolutely no Issues with the color, lots of deep blacks and true white, no yellow tinting at all as I could tell. The problem I did have is that It seemed to have motion smoothing applied. Many camera movements and ships moving in space were almost nauseating. Has anyone else experienced this?
I didn't notice anything like that.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#202 Post by Drucker » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:57 pm

So just to reiterate: a few of us did see the Nolan prints and thought it looked great. The people who saw the 4k/new restoration digitally are reporting it looked great, with colors seeming off in possibly one scene at most. That means 6 months spent fretting over trailer for the non-official restoration.

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#203 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:04 pm

Drucker, I'm deleting your post because it doesn't say "yellow" in it

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#204 Post by domino harvey » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:10 pm

I know you love Coldplay, mfunk, but cmon

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#205 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:19 pm

I struck new prints
I struck new prints for you
Looked like the old ones do
And they were all yellow

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#206 Post by jsteffe » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:49 pm

Drucker wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:57 pm
So just to reiterate: a few of us did see the Nolan prints and thought it looked great. The people who saw the 4k/new restoration digitally are reporting it looked great, with colors seeming off in possibly one scene at most. That means 6 months spent fretting over trailer for the non-official restoration.
This is speculation on my part, but Warner is a very large and decentralized company, and most likely they have one or more dedicated departments for producing trailers and promotional videos for various purposes, including the Web. The people who created the trailer may or may not have had access to the restoration footage, or even thought about whether there might be any problems with changing the look of the film. For all we know, the controversial trailer may have come from their Web content division.

Again, this is just speculation--but because L'Immagine Ritrovata is a much smaller operation it seems that the people producing the trailer for something like the DEATH IN VENICE restoration are more likely to have had access to the restored footage, and there is a greater chance that the trailer more or less reflects what the restoration will look like. But I guess we will find that out for certain as the restoration gets more widely seen.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#207 Post by david hare » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:25 pm

Where's the "Like' button.

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#208 Post by swo17 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:27 pm

The 'Like' button is saying "Where's the 'Like' button?"

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#209 Post by Drucker » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:51 pm

jsteffe wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:49 pm
Drucker wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:57 pm
So just to reiterate: a few of us did see the Nolan prints and thought it looked great. The people who saw the 4k/new restoration digitally are reporting it looked great, with colors seeming off in possibly one scene at most. That means 6 months spent fretting over trailer for the non-official restoration.
This is speculation on my part, but Warner is a very large and decentralized company, and most likely they have one or more dedicated departments for producing trailers and promotional videos for various purposes, including the Web. The people who created the trailer may or may not have had access to the restoration footage, or even thought about whether there might be any problems with changing the look of the film. For all we know, the controversial trailer may have come from their Web content division.

Again, this is just speculation--but because L'Immagine Ritrovata is a much smaller operation it seems that the people producing the trailer for something like the DEATH IN VENICE restoration are more likely to have had access to the restored footage, and there is a greater chance that the trailer more or less reflects what the restoration will look like. But I guess we will find that out for certain as the restoration gets more widely seen.
All fair points! And I can confirm from first hand viewing the Studio Canal RAN restoration trailer that played at Film Forum in 2016 was using a dated master, and looked nothing like the new color timing.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#210 Post by Altair » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:11 am

If you can get past Jeffrey Wells' usual bloviating, apparently the Warner BD of 2001 is NOT the Nolan version, so hopefully the pages of pearl-clutching over teal colour timing can now be laid to rest...

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#211 Post by Drucker » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:43 am

Well I just received the disc this morning. I want to be transparent that I am NOT an expert on this stuff. I'm also watching it in broad daylight and would like to revisit at night.

Anyway, I've sampled a few of the scenes, and my take is that the color of the disc is somewhere between the old disc and trailer, but maybe a slight bit closer to thetrailer .

I will say that at first glance, the 2007 BD based on those videos looks a bit too blue. If you watch the trailer at :45 and see the waitress grabbing the pen, the new disc is far less blue but absolutely does NOT have the yellow sheen to it. The colors lean towards the trailer, but have the general "brightness" of the old disc (more dull). In the first scene of human dialogue, we get long shots in a pure white room, and those pink chairs, and from my perspective they basically look the same they always have. The whites are WHITE in this scene. There are some space station scenes where the white isn't as white, but the interiors certainly look pure white as they should.

There's also the scene in the trailer where the waitress walks upside down. It is just NOT that yellow on the actual disc.

There is other good news: the film opens with the black overture for a few minutes, and goes into the original MGM logo. No new Warner logo to be seen anywhere.

That's my take. My plasma was professionally calibrated, and I'm comparing it to the youtube video on my laptop.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#212 Post by Roscoe » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:43 am

Does the new disc preserve the tear in the image that went across the screen during the opening DAWN OF MAN montage of desert imagery, which the Nolan version went out of its way to keep?

Bottom-line, I guess -- is there any need to get this new Blu-Ray if I've already got the old one?

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#213 Post by Altair » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:14 pm

Altair wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:11 am
If you can get past Jeffrey Wells' usual bloviating, apparently the Warner BD of 2001 is NOT the Nolan version, so hopefully the pages of pearl-clutching over teal colour timing can now be laid to rest...
Okay, I guess I'm going to have to eat my own words about the colour-timing. Let the endless debate now rage. This is what I get for trusting Jeffrey Wells.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#214 Post by Drucker » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:05 pm

I mean it definitely does not match the trailer. Screencap 7 clearly shows a dark blue opening for the ship. The trailer at 35 seconds clearly has that cap as yellow-leaning. Screencap 6 also appears in both the caps review and the trailer, and clearly leans more "correct" than "piss yellow."

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#215 Post by david hare » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:23 pm

THe trailer was surely and now clearly from the vault shelves. IS the same true for the trailer of Death in Mascara?

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#216 Post by andyli » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:09 pm

Remember the screen captures from UHD is not accurately representative of what you will see on your 4K TV. The HDR frame is tone-mapped to an SDR picture that is only as good as the algorithm can achieve.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#217 Post by Drucker » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm


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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#218 Post by Drucker » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:15 pm

Honestly at this point, I feel pretty confident in my earlier conclusion saying that the old blu ray is just too blue. Look at the last cap on caps-a-holic, in the bedroom.
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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#219 Post by tenia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:23 pm

Just based on the caps, I'm leaning towards this feeling too. The new color scheme feels yellow-er, but it seems to be this way only by comparison. It doesn't seem yellow like a Ritrovata stuff, just warmer.

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#220 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:24 pm

It's so wonderful to find out that all the exhaustive bellyaching here was a complete waste of time. Even though it's just a pic he snapped off his TV, what Nick posted above is incredibly encouraging

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#221 Post by tenia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:30 pm

Well, it was just another case of a crappy trailer used by the studio for advertising. They should know better, and we probably should too, but it's not unsurprising for such a treasured movie that an unfaithful trailer (in hindsight) sparks worried discussions.
Now, I just hope the BD translates this correctly, and not like what Warner did with The Matrix HDR remaster.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#222 Post by Drucker » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:32 pm

The comments I made above were in reference to the BD (I don't have a 4k tv). Still haven't gotten a chance to watch in dark, but the temperature of caps-a-holic and Nick's screenshot match what I see as well.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#223 Post by ivuernis » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:07 pm

Drucker wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:15 pm
Look at the last cap on caps-a-holic, in the bedroom.
Is that Dave's iPhone on the bedside table?


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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#225 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:29 am

Looks like the UHD disc was officially delayed to November 20th but some people's (including mine) Amazon preorders shipped on time. The delay was merely due to not being able to produce enough in time, which is hopefully a great sign for both this release and the format at large. Mine shipped from California via UPS Next Day Air, so Amazon definitely seems to have exhausted whatever limited supply they did have, and seems like they'll just be shipping them as they get more stock available

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