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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#151 Post by djproject » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:03 am

(sigh) This is like those "revelations" (neqm) found in Room 237

(neqm = not enough quotation marks)

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#152 Post by hearthesilence » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:54 pm

Found this old interview with Vanessa Shaw (Domino, the prostitute) which was done for the film's tenth anniversary, which gives something like a layman's perspective even if Shaw had been an experienced child actress by the time she was cast. For example, some of the mystery behind his methods become a lot more understandable and prosaic. With regards to the large number of takes, she mentions that Kubrick would concentrate on one particular aspect of the scene (like the lighting), then move on to another (like the camera movement), and then another, which could be frustrating for an actor when it's clear it'll be a while before he really pays attention to your performance.

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#153 Post by theseventhseal » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:44 am

I liked the film when it came out. I had to. I am a huge Kubrick fan. I also loved A.I. just because it was Stanley's pet project. But I rewatched EWS last month and I find very uninvolving. It just lacks life. The only good scenes involve Sydney Pollack and Nicole Kidman. Tom Cruise is his usual semi-rigid self and this really does a disservice to Kubrick's own detached take on the action. The film suffers from such overstuffed mannerisms that it plods along without much gumption or fluidity. Those 69 takes show in the leaden performances. Yes, Kubrick liked a certain stilted delivery, but Sidney Pollack and Nichole Kidman manage to avoid the trap (and the workout in front of the camera) and I think their scenes are better for their resistance to Kubrick's whims. The story is mechanical and Kubrick's tight mise-en-scene smothers whatever salacious pleasures it might have offered. It de-saturates sex and turns it into a Ken and Barbie coupling, Kubrick's lack of flexibility lets people conjoin but only stiffly assume the position without heat. Some say it's a dream story, and perhaps it was Kubrick's intent to suggest that in the odd episodic fleeting encounters Cruise has, but at that same time that six degrees between dream and reality acts as a time-delayed between the audience and the action, and any real sense of urgency or danger floats away. It's just not a very engaging experience other than a half dozen scenes where, as I said, Pollack and Kidman rise out of the manufactured miasma. Anyway, I still love Kubrick, but I just find this film a misfire.
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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#154 Post by Rayon Vert » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:47 am

theseventhseal wrote:I liked the film when it came out. I had to. I am a huge Kubrick fan. I also loved A.I. just because it was Stanley's pet project. But I rewatched EWS last month and I find very uninvolving. It just lacks life. The only good scenes involve Sydney Pollack and Nicole Kidman. Tom Cruise is his usual semi-rigid self and this really does a disservice to Kubrick's own detached take on the action. The film suffers from such overstuffed mannerisms that it plods along without much gumption or fluidity. Those 69 takes show in the leaden performances. Yes, Kubrick liked a certain stilted delivery, but Sidney Pollack and Nichole Kidman manage to avoid the trap (and the workout in front of the camera) and I think their scenes are better for their resistance to Kubrick's whims. The story is mechanical and Kubrick's tight mise-en-scene smothers whatever salacious pleasures it might have offered. It de-saturates sex and turns it into a Ken and Barbie coupling, Kubrick's lack of flexibility lets people conjoin but only stiffly assume the position without heat. Some say it's a dream story, and perhaps it was Kubrick's intent to suggest that in the odd episodic fleeting encounters Cruise has, but at that same time that's six degrees between dream and reality acts as a time-delayed between the audience and the action, and any real sense of urgency or danger floats away. It's just not a very engaging experience other than a half dozen scenes where, as I said, Pollack and Kidman rise out of the manufactured miasma. Anyway, I still love Kubrick, but I just find this film a misfire.
Your response mirrors mine very closely, after not having the seen for at least 10 years or so (and having liked it a lot when it first came out), and going through the entire oeuvre once again last year.

My notes after watching it again last year (or very early this year, meaning '16): Kubrick falls from grace on his last film. He was known to wait until he fell in love with a book until he made a film, and he wound up adapting Schnitzler’s novella only after other projects fell through. The story and screenplay simply aren’t as good as previous Kubrick films. There’s still a lot to fascinate – notably how the film recalls many of his previous films in various ways (Clockwork Orange, Lolita, The Shining) – but even the masterly touches don’t come off without a hitch. There are bits that are a bit silly, like the orgy, the direction of the actors, though lauded, sometimes betrays a few bad moments (in the Cruise and Kidman scenes), and the music, for example, isn’t as powerful as in the director’s many masterpieces. It’s still interesting, but disappointing in contrast to the rest of his output.

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#155 Post by PianoMan88 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:15 am

I also agree with some of the criticism regarding EWS.

BUT your critique of the music I do not agree with. I find his use of Ligeti's Musica Ricercata (2nd movement), though a sparse selection for a movie, is absolutely fantastic.

The atmosphere he creates in this movie is for me arguably the best aspect of it, and the music has as much to do with that as the cinematography.

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#156 Post by oh yeah » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:48 am

I think my first post on this forum was in this thread, and years later it's still my favorite film. I love a few other Kubrick pictures but this one is just special. I've analyzed every element of it and know it like the back of my hand, and I really think it may be the most complex and bottomless piece of cinema I'm aware of. But I also continue to be riveted by it on a purely narrative level. There's an incredible suspense to the movie, not a traditional suspense but something else, which just keeps me glued and haunted and fascinated. And of course the use of color and general visual design is spectacular, probably the most beautiful color film of all.

I've seen EWS so many times and it's so familiar that it's difficult for me to look at it with fresh eyes, but one thing I'd say is that part of what makes it unique is its blending of so many disparate genres/modes: 70s paranoid/conspiracy thriller, 60s erotic Euro art-house film, domestic melodrama, Hitchcockian "wrong man" narrative (replete with NxNW Glen Cove reference), Lynchian dream-film, almost Gothic horror in one sequence, etc. And I think the film's nonchalant mixture of banal, quotidian reality with the most surreal, disturbing occultism is incredibly effective and not quite like anything else I've seen. For example, a Lynch film might take you to similarly weird places as Eyes does in its Somerton sequence; but a Lynch film starts off odd, unusually-pitched, not of this world. Eyes starts off perfectly normal, almost "boring" even, and then very suddenly veers into some unfathomably alien territory. The effect is shocking and probably more frightening than a real "horror film" like The Shining.

Barry Lyndon is one of the greatest films of all, astonishing and far more moving than most give it credit for; 2001 is nearly as sublime; and The Shining is not quite as perfect but still a masterful work. But EWS is the most mysterious, rewarding, poignant and interesting of all. With each year it only seems more relevant, and more people seem to realize its greatness.

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

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#159 Post by ivuernis » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:43 am

It was news to me that Cate Blanchett voiced Abigail Good's "Mysterious Woman" character.

Cate Blanchett Had a Secret Role in Eyes Wide Shut | W Magazine

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#160 Post by TwoTecs » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:07 pm

https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/116 ... 36256?s=09

Larry Celona, the journalistic advisor for this film, is an acquaintance of Jeffrey Epstein. He flew on what is being now dubbed as the "Lolita Express". He was also the first one to break the news of Epstein's suicide.

An interesting, and perhaps disturbing, intersection of art and real life.

This year would have been a good time for Warner (or Criterion) to release this film.

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#161 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:39 am

It's already been released by Warner, man, it's out there if you wanna pick it up on Blu-ray. No use in pretending it's out of print or doesn't exist, there's plenty of classic films that are actually suffering that fate that are worth your concern.

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#162 Post by Black Hat » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:05 pm

I think the poor guy meant in terms of a fresh round of extras discussing the film today.

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#163 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:24 pm

I'm sure both of those companies are scrambling to have conspiracy podcasters do commentary tracks for the film about Jeffrey Epstein, that's something that's 100% going to happen

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#164 Post by Black Hat » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:27 pm

That's a very strange thing to say.

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#165 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:29 pm

In other words: Don't look to a disc release of this major studio film for a discourse about today's elites and their abuses of power

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#166 Post by Black Hat » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:33 pm

It doesn't have to be that, but in any case my point was I thought you misunderstood what the guy meant by saying it should be released again.

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#167 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:35 pm

I didn't, but thanks for the tip!


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#169 Post by Jack Kubrick » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:12 pm

Discussed on the Rewatchables 1999 podcast, exclusively for premium members on luminary.
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#170 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:02 am

TwoTecs wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:07 pm
https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/116 ... 36256?s=09

Larry Celona, the journalistic advisor for this film, is an acquaintance of Jeffrey Epstein. He flew on what is being now dubbed as the "Lolita Express". He was also the first one to break the news of Epstein's suicide.

An interesting, and perhaps disturbing, intersection of art and real life.
Someone on Twitter brought up the question if Epstein was ever parodied on 30 Rock for some reason, and later said she was watching the episode with Steve Martin as a character not too removed from him. I responded back the irony since Martin was considered by Kubrick for the lead when it was going to be a comedy.

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Re: Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)

#171 Post by TwoTecs » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:31 am

mfunk9786 wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:35 pm
I didn't, but thanks for the tip!
Lets not pretend the old release is anything but sub-par for a film of this caliber. A better release for Eyes Wide Shut isn't going to prevent other films from being released. Criterion has released multiple films that already had BD releases. Studios giving multiple releases to their own films isn't uncommon either.

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#172 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:23 pm

It's a fine release, the film is uncensored and there's more supplemental material than one could expect with a movie like this. Is it definitive? I hope not. But it's solid.

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#174 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:10 pm

Hell yeah! TwoTecs, take notice - and I hope this gets the excellent Warners UHD treatment instead of the Criterion treatment that's been whispered about for a little while

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#175 Post by TwoTecs » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:54 pm

Wasn't expecting this when I opened the thread. UHD would be ideal.

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