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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#301 Post by BenoitRouilly » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:07 am

Imagine :
The Iron Man, a film by David Lynch
Hulk, a film by Peter Jackson
Thor, a film by Darren Aronofsky
Captain America, a film by M. Night Shyamalan
The Avengers, a film by John Woo
The Guardians of the Galaxy, a film by Wes Anderson
Ant-Man, a film by Jean-Pierre Jeunet
Spiderman, a film by Steven Spielberg
Black Widow, a film by Guillermo del Toro

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#302 Post by tenia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:08 am

Questions are :
Would they be better than their real counterparts ?
Even so, would they make the same, less or more money ?

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#303 Post by nitin » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:50 am

Pretty sure that Captain America would be worse.

And we did have a Hulk by Ang Lee and Spider-Man by Raimi.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#304 Post by Glowingwabbit » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:13 am

Its funny that several of the directors you listed already make these same kind of big budget multiplex movies. So its not hard to imagine them doing a Marvel film but doubtful they would do it any better.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#305 Post by BenoitRouilly » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:44 pm

tenia wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:08 am
Questions are :
Would they be better than their real counterparts ?
Even so, would they make the same, less or more money ?
IMHO they can't be worse at any rate. But would they be as good as the auteur's usual fare, probably not...
Definitely less money, because if they have something that makes them better (thoughts, depth, characters, mise en scène) that something won't please the crowds like a theme park does. However the BO records is not my goal here.
I guess it is a lose-lose situation : auteurists won't get what they want, and fanboys/girls won't get what they expect.
Only a minuscule demographic may enjoy those : the comics geek with a cinephile bent.

True nitin. (And a Batman by Nolan, even if it's not Marvel)
So sometimes it works. But were these attempts closer to auteurism or to Disney in the end?

Glowingwabbit, I tried to make this list believable. But maybe we could imagine crossover more radical.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#306 Post by Glowingwabbit » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:22 pm

BenoitRouilly wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:44 pm
Glowingwabbit, I tried to make this list believable. But maybe we could imagine crossover more radical.
I get that and I'd be fine with about all but two of the directors you listed taking on Marvel projects. Personally I don't want to see talent wasted on any of these projecs. I'm not so sure want any kind of crossover unless it affords them more opportunities to do non-franchise projects. This is actually quite similar to how it is in comics nowadays whereas creators work for Marvel/DC to build up their name (or brand) so they can move on to Image and other independent publishers.

I'm also not sure if it matters at this point if these movies get more creative/diverse/better -- at least for me, I'm pretty checked out to the point. I did have fun watching Thor: Ragnarok, but otherwise the only Marvel projects I've thought were actually worth checking out aren't even a part of the Disney/Marvel brand (i.e. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - which is still the only movie, animated or otherwise, that has actually felt like a comic book; and Legion Season 1 which has some of the best non-narrative visual storytelling I've seen outside of Twin Peaks: The Return when it comes to television)

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#307 Post by The Pachyderminator » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:58 pm

BenoitRouilly wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:07 am
Imagine :
The Iron Man, a film by David Lynch
Hulk, a film by Peter Jackson
Thor, a film by Darren Aronofsky
Captain America, a film by M. Night Shyamalan
The Avengers, a film by John Woo
The Guardians of the Galaxy, a film by Wes Anderson
Ant-Man, a film by Jean-Pierre Jeunet
Spiderman, a film by Steven Spielberg
Black Widow, a film by Guillermo del Toro
Some of these, no doubt, would be good. (Not all: I shudder to think what would happen if Peter Jackson was let loose in the Marvel universe.) But I'd much rather see the non-Marvel films these directors made/would make instead. The same applies to acting talent. Chadwick Boseman and Scarlett Johansson, to name two, are clearly capable of much more interesting and wide-ranging work than they get to do in the MCU. (I don't hate the Marvel movies by any means. I voluntarily watched through them all right before Endgame, but having done that I'm done with them for at least a year.)

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#308 Post by DarkImbecile » Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:55 pm

An excerpt from a 2016 interview with Alan Moore on superheroes is getting the Internet riled up today:
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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#309 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:18 pm

Hopefully they're getting riled up because Moore is so incredibly spot-on and we're so lucky to have him

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#310 Post by nitin » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:23 pm

Waiting for Moore to be deemed old and clueless and for Watchmen to be canceled.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#311 Post by nitin » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:26 pm

BenoitRouilly wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:44 pm
tenia wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:08 am
Questions are :
Would they be better than their real counterparts ?
Even so, would they make the same, less or more money ?
IMHO they can't be worse at any rate. But would they be as good as the auteur's usual fare, probably not...
Definitely less money, because if they have something that makes them better (thoughts, depth, characters, mise en scène) that something won't please the crowds like a theme park does. However the BO records is not my goal here.
I guess it is a lose-lose situation : auteurists won't get what they want, and fanboys/girls won't get what they expect.
Only a minuscule demographic may enjoy those : the comics geek with a cinephile bent.

True nitin. (And a Batman by Nolan, even if it's not Marvel)
So sometimes it works. But were these attempts closer to auteurism or to Disney in the end?

Glowingwabbit, I tried to make this list believable. But maybe we could imagine crossover more radical.
I don’t know, I really really love Spider Man 2 but I don’t know that I would say that’s because it’s more auteurist than MCU stuff. But it seemed to have a much better and earnest tone for me personally than the glibness present in a lot of MCU movies and it probably also helped that it wasn’t part of a 20+ movie franchise where every film felt fundamentally pretty much interchangeable.


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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#315 Post by Big Ben » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:16 pm

The most remarkable thing about it is how much it's being dunked on. Not even the bots are defending that.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#316 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:59 pm

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#317 Post by BenoitRouilly » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:17 pm

"[...] Cinephiles must wake up. It's not a generational struggle, it's destruction of art, present and past, by loosy salesmen."
Cahiers Edito, january 2020 (in French). on the Scorsese Op Ed backlash.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#318 Post by Big Ben » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:36 pm

At some point though Marvel is going to start running on fumes and will start to see diminishing returns. I'm just not sure how long that will take to happen though.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#319 Post by Rayon Vert » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:11 pm

BenoitRouilly wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:17 pm
by loosy salesmen."
"loosy"?

"by carpet dealers" would be more accurate.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#320 Post by domino harvey » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:26 pm

It’s a French colloquialism meaning “haggler,” I suspect BR as (I believe) a native French speaker was trying to approximate it with his translation choice

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#321 Post by tenia » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:45 pm

It's indeed the French for haggler.

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#322 Post by BenoitRouilly » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:14 pm

I suspected "carpet dealers" wouldn't translate well in English. I wasn't sure if "haggler" had the meaning of "petty salesman".
But if you can read it in French all the better :)

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#323 Post by BenoitRouilly » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:38 pm

New interview of Vincent Cassel who chimes in on the Scorsese debate : Kombini, 13 jan 2020, 4'30" (FRENCH)

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#324 Post by TheKieslowskiHaze » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:07 pm

DarkImbecile wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:55 pm
An excerpt from a 2016 interview with Alan Moore on superheroes is getting the Internet riled up today.
He's back at it, but media outlets seem to be misreading (intentionally for clickbait?) his claims. He says the popularity of superhero movies and the rise of Trump are symptoms of the same problem, which is not the same as saying superhero movies caused Trump.

“This may be entirely coincidence, but in 2016 when the American people elected a National Socialist satsuma and the U.K. voted to leave the European Union, six of the top 12 highest-grossing films were superhero movies. Not to say that one causes the other, but I think they’re both symptoms of the same thing — a denial of reality and an urge for simplistic and sensational solutions.” -Moore

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Re: Marvel Comics on Film

#325 Post by soundchaser » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:32 pm

Most movies are denials of reality and often provide sensational solutions. Did Astaire/Rogers musicals cause FDR to get re-elected?

And more importantly, it was the replacement of the Lime Skittle with Green Apple that caused Trump.

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