130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#51 Post by reaky » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:30 pm

Now you’ve shamed me into it.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#52 Post by rapta » Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:33 pm

This is a lovely set, so glad I pre-ordered it! Hope they do another like it...


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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#54 Post by david hare » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:52 pm

Another reason I’ve stopped reading Beaver.

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#55 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:16 pm

I can't see any particular problem with this review. :-k

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#56 Post by david hare » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:57 pm

I will PM you

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#57 Post by Finch » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:15 pm

My direct pre-order from Indicator arrived in the US today, about a week after I got the dispatch email, and the set was in pristine condition. I'll be ordering directly again.

Out of interest, what caused the 12 certificate on The Scarlet Empress? All the other films are a Universal or PG rating. Was it the film itself or one of the extras?

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#58 Post by swo17 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:34 pm

Doesn't the film have brief female nudity at the beginning?

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#59 Post by HJackson » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:36 pm

The old DVD was a 12 so it’s the feature.

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#60 Post by domino harvey » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:38 pm

swo17 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:34 pm
Doesn't the film have brief female nudity at the beginning?
It took more than one mam’ to change this rating to 12

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#61 Post by david hare » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:50 pm

There are tits galore And rape, and heads chopped off. It's a doozy of an opening.

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#62 Post by reaky » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:27 am

Also tits at the beginning of Morocco, and much rudery (“What are you doing with those fingers?”), but it gets a U.

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130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#63 Post by MichaelB » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:38 am

david hare wrote:There are tits galore And rape, and heads chopped off. It's a doozy of an opening.
The really bizarre thing is that it’s technically not pre-Code - it even opens with the Production Code seal! - and yet it’s comfortably the most extreme in a set of films that are 66% authentically pre-Code.
reaky wrote:Also tits at the beginning of Morocco, and much rudery (“What are you doing with those fingers?”), but it gets a U.
Tits - and non-sexualised nudity in general - have never been much of an issue with the BBFC. And it’s also been longstanding BBFC policy to turn a blind eye (or deaf ear) to innuendo if it’s unlikely that a child would plausibly be able to work it out.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#64 Post by Finch » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:59 pm

Thank you for all the responses, gents. Scarlet Empress and Morocco are the two Dietrich-Sternberg collaborations I've not seen yet.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#65 Post by david hare » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:21 pm

The nudity and violence in Empress was itself the lucky recipient of simply a bunch of dates crossing in history. Schreck and I researched all this stuff quite comprehensively before we did our now great missing audio track for Empr3ess in 2012. The revised code was scheduled to come into effect in August 1934. Empress had been finished by April and Jo was already in the first of his rows with Paramount about over spending (over 1 million bucks). So unseen, but based on a shooting script. Empress was passed by the Breen Office in May and it then went into general release. It was amazingly never subsequently withdrawn, unlike both Blonde Venus and Shanghai Express. both of which were subjected to cuts by Paramount. Shanghai as we now assume for the five lines fo dialogue about Colonel Leonard lying about his military record, which it appears the 1932 French government demanded. And the opening "garden of eden" sequence from Venus which was cut post 34, and remained cut when the Dietrich titles were subsumed into the MCA Universal TV and thetarical package by Lew Wassermen in 1962. I first saw Venus with that footage restored in Paris in May 1978. As we also know Paramount withdrew Devil shortly after release at the behest of the Spanish (pre-Franco) governmnet in 1935. Even after they had cut at least one musical number ("It it's pleasure) and possibly more from that title.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#66 Post by Finch » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:50 pm

Question for perpee/MichaelB: do Universal have the rights to von Sternberg's Paramount silents? Purely based on the beautiful packaging and the more substantial extras on this current set, I'd rather buy an Indicator set of the silents instead of upgrading my DVD Criterion set, provided of course that the existing set sells well enough for Indicator and the UK rights haven't already been sub-licenced to Eureka or Arrow.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#67 Post by Landjorden » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:54 am

Finch wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:50 pm
Question for perpee/MichaelB: do Universal have the rights to von Sternberg's Paramount silents? Purely based on the beautiful packaging and the more substantial extras on this current set, I'd rather buy an Indicator set of the silents instead of upgrading my DVD Criterion set, provided of course that the existing set sells well enough for Indicator and the UK rights haven't already been sub-licenced to Eureka or Arrow.
Eureka have already released The Last Command on blu, no ides about the other two though

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#68 Post by HJackson » Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:02 pm

The MoC Last Command is via Paramount, not Universal.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#69 Post by Finch » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:13 pm

I was only referring to the silents Criterion released.

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#70 Post by MichaelB » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:21 pm

If one is with Paramount, the chances are that they all are. Presumably the late 1940s Universal deal only covered (most of) their sound films?

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#71 Post by FlickeringWindow » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:24 pm

MCA only purchased the 1929-1948/49ish sound features. Paramount kept the silents. Kino has released a dozen or so licensed from then. (There’s some crossover in 1948-1949 as Universal owns films like The Heiress and A Foreign Affair, yet Paramount held on to Sorry, Wrong Number, Rope of Sand, and Samson & Delilah)

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#72 Post by Glowingwabbit » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:28 pm

Finch wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:13 pm
I was only referring to the silents Criterion released.
Last Command is one of the silents Criterion released (it's a part of the 3 Silent Classics by Sternberg set)

Edit: Only 4 of his silents have survived anyway (not including fragments). What would be awesome is if they dropped the "Silent" part and replaced Last Command with Thunderbolt (also the inclusion of The Salvation Hunters would be great since it's not in the Criterion set)

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#73 Post by david hare » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:18 pm

Salvation Hunters is on the cards as a Blu Ray from FilmMuseum, including Janet Bergstrom's excellent video essay. the remsining silents are all Paramount as noted.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#74 Post by Finch » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:25 pm

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:28 pm
Last Command is one of the silents Criterion released (it's a part of the 3 Silent Classics by Sternberg set)
Oops so it is! I had remembered that MoC did release Last Command on its own, but had forgotten that it was indeed included in the Criterion DVD set back then.

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Re: 130-135 Marlene Dietrich & Josef von Sternberg at Paramount 1930-1935

#75 Post by DeprongMori » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:50 pm

david hare wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:18 pm
Salvation Hunters is on the cards as a Blu Ray from FilmMuseum, including Janet Bergstrom's excellent video essay. the remsining silents are all Paramount as noted.
Would that be the first Blu-ray from Filmmuseum? Any idea when it is being released? I just ordered The Salvation Hunters and four others on DVD. I would much rather have had them on Blu.

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