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#676 Post by der_Artur » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:20 am

jsteffe wrote:To be honest, these days when I introduce the film to first time viewers I prefer to show the Yutkevich version since it's more accessible and it looks vastly better, though I can't say that it's necessarily a "better" film. Still, visual quality is so important to the film's unique form of poetic expression that you could make a case for preferring the Yutkevich cut purely on the grounds of the image alone. Second Sight certainly made the right decision based on the present circumstances.
Thank you and MichaelB for your answers.

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#677 Post by David M. » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:32 pm

No other shots (or reviews, I think?) have appeared yet, so I'm going to post some screen grabs of something I did (which I'm very happy with): Mondo Macabro's Strip-tease (yes, I do work for other DVD labels as well... and no, they don't all have to start with "Mondo", that's a coincidence!)

Grabbed from the disc and aspect ratio corrected for PC screens using Photoshop "Bicubic Sharper" algorithm (which is basically the same as what most TVs/DVD players use).

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And this shot is a perfect example for why I never encode with the lowpass filter on... check out the jacket!

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#678 Post by Peacock » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:50 pm

You're one of the best guys out there at your job David, judging by all the caps you've posted over the years; I only wish you worked for Criterion, BFI, MoC, Second Run etc etc! Great job.

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#679 Post by jsteffe » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:18 pm

David M., that really looks gorgeous! Out of curiosity, when you say "lowpass filter," what does that mean specifically for video encoding?

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#680 Post by David M. » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:11 am

I would love to do discs for Criterion, BFI, MoC and Second Run. Perhaps soon? Thank you.

JSteffe: in the context of video encoding, lowpass filtering is basically removing the highest frequency details in the image, in other words, blurring the picture. This became routine on DVD releases and bafflingly, became a hallmark of a professional encoder. When DVD was new and interlaced CRT was the display method, lowpass filtering the video to make it easier to compress didn't really show much damage. But as we got larger and larger screens that could resolve better detail, the damage being done became more and more clear. Good encoders and good compressionists mean that there's no need to use LPF anymore on DVD, except maybe for some very challenging content.

Here's an example of what one of those images would look like, had it been subjected to both horizontal and vertical lowpass filtering. This look is probably quite familiar to anyone who watches a lot of DVD:

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And the way I do it, without LPF:

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Detail is reduced and ringing artefacts appear around transitions. Especially look at the black side-bars, what was before a fairly sharp transition from black into the actual picture is now a smudge. Actually, most of what people called "Edge enhancement" on DVD actually wasn't/isn't edge enhancement at all, but ringing caused by LPF.

If that looks like a big difference to you viewing the images at DVD size on a hi-res, computer screen, just imagine the damage it does when it's scaled to fit a modern size TV or projection screen. Even although the resolution of an NTSC DVD is (usually) almost 720x480, lowpass filtering lowers the effective resolution to less. Only with a very crisp source, a good down-scaler from the datacine's resolution, and no damaging techniques such as LPF, can you make the most of those 720x480 pixels.

If you've ever watched a 2.35:1 movie on DVD (Lord of the Rings is a good example - those discs were HEAVILY filtered) and seen a sort of "wrinkle" where the picture meets the black line, that's caused by the lowpass filter.

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#681 Post by MichaelB » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:27 am

Second Run's Red Psalm, with frames chosen to match these Beaver grabs of the Clavis version:

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Two major differences: the Second Run is a fair bit darker (though this is much less obvious in motion and without running the Clavis side by side), and of course the aspect ratio is substantially different, with the Clavis being full-frame 1.37:1 and the Second Run being 1.85:1 (and anamorphic). Both Miklós Jancsó and his cinematographer János Kende assured Second Run that it was framed for 1.85:1, and while I was sceptical at first thanks to my familiarity with the 1.37:1 version, I have to admit that it looks substantially better in widescreen. I've posted direct side-by-side comparisons in the Red Psalm thread here, so you can (hopefully) see what I mean.

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#682 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:03 pm

Caps from the recent Sinomovie box of Hou's 1995-2001 films (click on the titles to compare with the DVD Beaver caps from earlier editions ):

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Goodbye South, Goodbye
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Flowers of Shanghai
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Millennium Mambo
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More info, general impressions etc. here

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#683 Post by otis » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:06 am

Comparison of the UK (top) and Hungarian (bottom) editions of The Red and the White (Csillagosok, katonák):

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#684 Post by zedz » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:52 pm

Thanks Otis. That's a hell of a difference, notwithstanding the edge enhancement. Have you checked out the English subtitles and other features yet?

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#685 Post by otis » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:23 pm

zedz wrote:Thanks Otis. That's a hell of a difference, notwithstanding the edge enhancement. Have you checked out the English subtitles and other features yet?
Not yet. I'll post a shot of Jancso in his speedos when I get a chance!

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#686 Post by triodelover » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:04 pm

From the Crit and Medusa Il Gattopardo.

First, the Criterion:

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(user capture from the thread at Blu-ray.com)

Then the Medusa:

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(from the review at Blu-ray.com)

Again, the Crit:

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(from the DVD Beaver review)

And the Medusa:

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(again a user capture from the thread at Blu-ray.com)

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#687 Post by eltopo » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:13 pm

Krzyzacy (1960)

2DVD (Gazeta Wyborcza PL) vs. DVD (SecondRun UK)

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#688 Post by Fred Holywell » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:18 am

"Le Rouge et le Noir" (Autant-Lara, 1954) Gaumont Video BR

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#689 Post by David M. » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:42 am

It's a shame to see more of (what looks like) old CRT telecine stuff make its way to BD. The glowing (afterglow) around whites isn't nice.



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#692 Post by MichaelB » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:08 pm

Second Run's Night Train:

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(The last grab is for people who've seen one of the older DVDs - you know, the ones where you can't see what the hell's happening when they swarm off the train!)

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#693 Post by MichaelB » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:23 pm

Second Run's Eroica:

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#694 Post by Fred Holywell » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:46 am

"La corruzione" (Bolognini, 1963) Medusa R2 SD

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#695 Post by Fred Holywell » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:19 am

"Bubù" (Bolognini, 1971) Surf R2 SD

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#696 Post by Fred Holywell » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:15 am

"La notte brava" (Bolognini, 1959) R2 SD
Mondo Home Entertainment (Top) vs Carlotta Films (Bottom)

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#697 Post by David M. » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:01 pm

If nobody minds a little self promotion, this is my latest for Mondo Macabro: THE GIRL IN 2A, another one done with Cinema Craft SP3 and my own "side-car" utility, "CCE Assist". I saw some screen shots of this on blogs which appear to have gone through some PC video card's grain-scrubbing process (not the bloggers' fault - they didn't claim to be accurate images). So I thought I should show what's actually on the disc.

The next MM title I did is basically NTSC DVD completely maxxed out. I'll post images after it hits shelves.

Film grain "management" filtering? No thanks!

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#698 Post by peerpee » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:16 pm

Your DVD compression looks as good as Blu-ray compression, David! If it wasn't for the pixel size, I'd guess these were BD grabs. You really are knocking out some of the best looking DVDs that I've seen. I'm sorry we didn't get to work together when I was at MoC - it's been a crazy year.

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#699 Post by David M. » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:30 pm

Ah, that's too bad.

Thank you, but the only credit I can take is for careful treatment in the upstream stages, and for CCE Assist (which I really wrote to save my own time, I don't know if any other compressionists are using it). The guys in Japan at Cinema Craft deserve the credit for designing an encoder of this quality, that isn't confused by film grain and other random patterns.

I think there are parts of the "upcoming title" could pass for Blu-ray on television sized screens.

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#700 Post by zedz » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:02 pm

peerpee wrote:Your DVD compression looks as good as Blu-ray compression, David! If it wasn't for the pixel size, I'd guess these were BD grabs. You really are knocking out some of the best looking DVDs that I've seen.
I agree. Those caps look beautiful. (To the point where I'm tempted to offer up the heretical opinion that I'd much rather have a diligent DVD transfer like that, and rely on upscaling, than get a monkeyed-with Blu transfer, where you're saddled with somebody else's bad decisions.)

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