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#1 Post by two mules » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:41 am

I was just remembering how happy I was exactly a year ago when my ALIEN QUADRILOGY boxset arrived, and felt a bit gloomy that I'd never be that happy with a DVD release again.

Then I realised I can buy it all over again on HD-DVD in a few years' time. Great!

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#2 Post by DDillaman » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:51 am

I'd love to see their faces when they buy up all these fullscreen DVDs then when they do get a widescreen TV find to their shock that the fullscreen DVD only fills up the middie of there TV. I'd love to be there so I can go I told you so!
Or they'll just do like my dad does with fullscreen television programming, and stretch it to widescreen, and not notice or care much.
and I'm sure one day I will find Boa Vs. Python in there!
God bless your soul if you do. I can't think of a better way to spend $6.88 - that is entertainment VALUE, I tells ya.

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#3 Post by Andre Jurieu » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:30 pm

Luckily most of these films suck ass...
davisdvd wrote:Paramount HD-DVD

Paramount Home Entertainment announced today at the 2005 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas a list of HD-DVD titles planned for the format's launch later this year. Titles will include: Black Rain, Braveheart, Coach Carter, Elizabethtown, Forrest Gump, Ghost, Grease, The Italian Job, Lara Croft: Tomb Raider, The Manchurian Candidate, Mission Impossible 2, Save the Last Dance, School of Rock, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, Sleepy Hollow, The SpongeBob Squarepants Movie, Star Trek: First Contact, U2 Rattle & Hum, Vanilla Sky and We Were Soldiers. Look for the next-generation HD-DVD discs to begin rolling out in the fourth quarter.
davisdvd wrote:Warner Home Video to Release Over 50 Film Titles on HD DVD

Home Video Leader Plans Release of New and Catalog Titles Beginning Q4 2005

Burbank, Ca (January 6, 2005) - Warner Home Video (WHV), which distributes the largest film library of any studio, will announce today at a press conference at CES 2005 that it plans to release over 50 new and catalog titles, including selections from New Line Home Entertainment and HBO Video, during the launch of HD DVD, the next generation digital video format, commencing in the fourth quarter of 2005.
"We're proud to continue our longstanding tradition of innovation and leadership in home video by debuting an exciting selection of new releases on HD DVD that will be accompanied by time tested favorites from our extensive library," said Jim Cardwell, President, Warner Home Video. "HD DVD is the future of home entertainment and is the format that will lead us into the high definition entertainment era. It will create new and exciting opportunities for consumers to enjoy their favorite movies, TV series, sports programming, children's entertainment, documentaries and other specialized titles with unprecedented picture and sound quality, advanced navigation and interactivity and increased security."

The press conference will feature a dazzling demonstration of HD DVD highlighted by an exclusive first look of clips from Warner Bros. Pictures pre-theatrical releases to be issued by Warner Home Video on HD DVD. These HD DVD clips will include footage of Christian Bale in Batman Begins, Keanu Reeves in Constantine and Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka in Tim Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

"Warner Home Video's endorsement creates a deep and diverse base of content support for HD DVD," said Marsha King, Executive Vice President and General Manager of Warner Home Video. "It ensures that consumers will be able to enjoy an impressive collection of their favorite movies, TV series and other entertainment as they have never seen them before -- in high definition and with HD DVDs rich features."

Planned HD DVD releases from the extensive Warner Home Video library include such recent theatrical releases as Ocean's Twelve, The Polar Express, and The Phantom of the Opera as well as titles from the hugely successful Matrix and Harry Potter franchises.

New Line Home Entertainment and HBO Video, owners of such esteemed motion picture and television titles as Rush Hour series and The Sopranos respectively, also plan to issue releases in conjunction with their distribution partner Warner Home Video in support of the launch of HD DVD.

"New Line Home Entertainment has always been at the forefront of industry innovation, and our involvement in the launch of HD DVD signals our continued commitment to the evolution of home entertainment," said Stephen Einhorn, President and Chief Operation Officer, New Line Entertainment. "In support of HD DVD and to provide consumers with a compelling new entertainment experience, we're planning to issue a selection of our most exciting films in the format including such titles as Se7en, Blade, Rush Hour and Austin Powers."

"HD DVD represents an exciting new development that will significantly enhance the consumer's home entertainment experience," said Henry McGee, President, HBO Video. "We are backing the launch of HD DVD with a line-up of releases from HBO's highly acclaimed programming including the first season of The Sopranos and the miniseries Angels in America and From the Earth to the Moon."

Warner Bros. boasts the largest library of any motion picture studio with over 6,500 feature films, 40,000 TV episodes and 14,000 animated titles (with over 1,500 classic animated shorts). The library includes such world-renowned franchises as Superman, Batman, Friends, E.R. and The West Wing, as well as such contemporary theatrical hits as Oceans Eleven, Mystic River and The Last Samurai. The studio is expected to announce the release of an increasing amount of its content on HD DVD as its involvement with the format continues.


With operations in 89 international territories, Warner Home Video commands the largest distribution infrastructure in the global video marketplace. Warner Home Video's film library is the largest of any studio, offering top quality new and vintage titles from the repertoires of Warner Bros. Pictures, Turner Entertainment Company, Castle Rock Entertainment, HBO Video and New Line Home Entertainment.


New Line Home Entertainment markets New Line Cinema and Fine Line Features theatrical films on DVD and VHS, including the premium DVD brand infinifilm(TM). The Company also distributes feature films and non-theatrical programs acquired or produced by New Line Home Entertainment and New Line Television. Founded in 1967, New Line Cinema is the leading independent producer and distributor of theatrical films, such as The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy, the Blade series and the Austin Powers franchise. New Line Cinema licenses its programming to ancillary markets, including cable and broadcast television, as well as in all international markets. New Line Cinema is a Time Warner Company.


HBO Video markets an extensive array of programs ranging from HBO's critically acclaimed and groundbreaking series The Sopranos and Sex and the City to theatrical features such as My Big Fat Greek Wedding, the number one romantic comedy of all time. The company catalog contains hundreds of titles including the multiple Emmy Award winning miniseries Band of Brothers, children's programs like I Spy, based on the best-selling book series, and innovative movies from HBO films including Elephant, winner of Palm D'Or, and Sundance Festival award winners American Splendor and Real Women Have Curves.


-- Above the Law
-- Alexander
-- Angels in America (HBO)
-- Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (New Line)
-- Batman Begins
-- Blade (New Line)
-- Catwoman
-- Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
-- Constantine
-- Contact
-- Dark City (New Line)
-- The Dukes of Hazzard
-- Eraser
-- Executive Decision
-- Final Destination (New Line)
-- Friday (New Line)
-- From the Earth to the Moon (HBO)
-- The Fugitive
-- Gothika
-- Hard to Kill
-- Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
-- Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
-- Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
-- House of Wax (2005)
-- The Last Samurai
-- The Mask (New Line)
-- The Matrix
-- The Matrix Reloaded
-- The Matrix Revolutions
-- Maverick
-- Million Dollar Baby
-- The Music Man
-- Mystic River
-- Next of Kin
-- North by Northwest
-- Ocean's Eleven
-- Ocean's Twelve
-- Passenger 57
-- The Perfect Storm
-- The Phantom of the Opera (2004)
-- The Player (New Line)
-- The Polar Express
-- Red Planet
-- Rush Hour (New Line)
-- Se7en (New Line)
-- Soldier
-- The Sopranos (HBO)
-- Spawn (New Line)
-- Swordfish
-- Troy
-- Under Siege
-- U.S. Marshals
-- Wild Wild West

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#4 Post by Jun-Dai » Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:54 pm

Nothing but Great films, I see.

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#5 Post by Kristoffer4 » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:14 pm

I will take Seven i HD thank you!
I would rather have seen it on BD though,,,

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#6 Post by david hare » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:00 pm

The first comments from digitalbits.

I imagine we'll be hearing more, including reviews shortly. Not that I care less about the three titles.

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#7 Post by godardslave » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:10 pm

it will be a niche product for high-end experts for at least the next 2-3 years.
i personally dont give a fuck about HD-DVD and BLU-RAY. :)
that is all.
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#8 Post by david hare » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:34 pm

Of course it will remain a niche product until the format war is decided. More's the pity HD-DVD will almost certainly win, even if Blu-Ray appears to be technically superior.

BUT it was "high end snobs" like me who bought laserdiscs and who started buying DVD in 1997. And fucking S-VHS recorders in the 80s. And so on.

Every incremental step forward in PQ is a good thing. For one, NTSC discs, at least will be 1080p encoded for 24fps film rate. (The studios appear to be settling on 25fps for PAL territories which is another disaster given 50hz scanning frequencies.) THIS is a major breakthrough - and having seen a demo disc recently on a projection system (downscaled to 768 vertical resolution) I can assure you the improvements in chroma, color fidelity and detailed resolution are very impressive. One thing HD might be able to do, finally is come close to replicating the deep saturation and blacks of IB Technicolor, but of course - you're right about this at least - we'll be waiting a few years for any of THOSE titles. But if you look at the astonishing price drops in "high end" gear like HD displays and projectors over the last three years, HD has every chance of doing the same thing and becoming both mass market and specialist friendly.

Yes everyone needs to wait a couple of years, but yesterday's "high end snob" becomes today's forum poster.

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#9 Post by Gigi M. » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:59 pm

Critics Unimpressed with HD DVD

Consumer electronics writers have begun to weigh in on the new HD DVD players distributed by Toshiba this week, and most are unimpressed. Several cite an intolerably long boot-up period, a confusing menu system, and incompatible sound. But nearly all express disappointment in the picture. On smaller sets, the writers agree, the difference between HD DVD and a conventional DVD is virtually undetectable. "Bottom line is that HD DVD is great, but will you notice?" asks Ben Drawbaugh on Writing in the Los Angeles Times David Colker remarked that on larger screens he could detect a subtle difference. He added: "I tested my perceptions by switching between the two formats. I asked a colleague to close his eyes while I chose a version, then had him open them and guess: DVD or HD DVD? He got it right only about 75% of the time. So, yes, it's better. But don't expect the dramatic leap in quality that came with the transition from VHS to DVDs in the 1990s."
Some reviews from the first wave:

The Last Samurai


The Phantom of the Opera

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#10 Post by godardslave » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:33 pm

i edited my original post to be a bit less confrontational and for clarification.

i really do think the market for this will be pretty tiny, though.
DVD is perfectly acceptable for most people.
i just get tired of the endless technical posts, endless posts about upgrades and resolutions and 1080i, just let it be, already.

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#11 Post by Gigi M. » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:40 pm

I couldn't agree more. There're so many films that haven't been release on dvd, and now all this new bullshit.

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#12 Post by david hare » Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:11 am

Jesus Fucking Christ! It's might sound like bullshit to you, but it's what people behind the scenes care about doing to make our pleasure and study of movies more "original" and more profound. I have just spent an hour plus talking to an ex-DP who worked at the Sony revived Technicolor facility in Los Angeles during the 90s. Once again purely commercial considerations have killed off this late, born again rennaisance of the best color printing system ever. Killed off by ignorance, commercial complicity and mindless accountants. If it wasn't for geeks, who are also film LOVERS you wouldn't even have the fucking DVD medium.

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#13 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:04 pm

Dammit, at least pick some GOOD commercial films. THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA? LAST SAMURAI? You want to sell a new format, you launch Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Batman Begins, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory, Chronicles of Narnia...those aren't necessarily my favorites, but what do you think's gonna sell?

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#14 Post by TedW » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:22 pm

I don't quite understand the bitching about the presence of new formats. This is a good thing, something to be encouraged. godardslave and others are perfectly free not to click on a thread labeled "Blu Ray and HD DVD," if they are so sick of the discussion, instead of entering the thread and then complaining about the topic.

Hi-def DVD may well end of a niche format. It's certainly possible, but I don't think it will. At least I hope it won't. The reason is, DVDs, for me, look like ass on any of the current digital displays, especially the larger the screen. 480i presented on a 1080i set does not produce an appealing image. I have a HD CRT which is smaller and DVDs look great... and DVHS looks even better. Demonstrably better. So I'm anticipating that hi-def DVD, whichever format shakes out, will be an excellent experience at my house.

But digital displays now rule the world and so we must have source material to match the native resolution of said displays. This is a positive evolution for those of us who love movies. For masses who don't care, well... when did we start rooting for them to win anything?

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#15 Post by Andre Jurieu » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:51 pm

If anyone is interested, the latest issue of Premiere (May 2006 - their Summer Movie Preview with X-Men 3 featured on the cover) has a significant portion of its print devoted to the Hi-Def (HD DVD and Blu-Ray) formats. It's a "Special Report" that is pretty much marketing, and I know it's probably filled with mistakes, we will all :roll: at the movies that are being promoted, and bitch that no one is putting out any Bresson, Dreyer, and Eisenstein, but it also includes a decent glossary and a test by their critic Glenn Kenny. Warner appears to be planning editions of Goodfellas, Unforgiven, and Full Metal Jacket (along with Rumor Has It??? Way to use the new technology there WB. I guess they need to test the market).

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#16 Post by david hare » Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:16 pm

Yes - in fact a number of the announced Warner titles are exactly the same as the first twenty or so which began their DVD marketing in April 1997, including Singin in the Rain. They are clearly marketing on the same pattern of expectation as the the early adopters who picked up DVD (in the US four cities deal only) in April 97, and subsequently the Septmember general release.

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#17 Post by Hashi » Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:20 am

To distinguish the new format from normal DVDs, HD-DVD discs come packaged in red plastic keepcases that are slightly shorter, wider, and thinner than typical DVD packaging.
Awww... didn't know they had to f**k up the design. I can take shorter and thinner BUT WIDER! Does this look good.

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#18 Post by unclehulot » Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:07 pm

Critics Unimpressed with HD DVD
Oh, for crying out loud! I'm sure if they found a small enough set they could make VHS and HD DVD look the same to their myopic peepers!

Why don't they just switch to a video iPod, or get back to their 8-track vs. SACD comparisions........

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#19 Post by Solaris » Mon May 08, 2006 7:00 am

Two Lynch films are coming to HD. Are Universal going to release Dune?

Recently Studio Canal has announced releases of the Elephant Man and Mulholland Drive on HD DVD.

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#20 Post by kinjitsu » Thu May 11, 2006 5:01 pm

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#21 Post by david hare » Thu May 11, 2006 10:53 pm

I saw a recent demonstration of the Toshiba player at a local HiFi store. As expected the remote completely screwed up and they had to constantly reboot the player. (it's basically a small computer put into a clunky box and the remote has been appallingly designed and keeps transmitting multiple commands sending the player into meltdown. Hilarious.)

HOWEVER... once running (with Phantom of the Opera - god help us all) the image was astounding. They were playing back on a Pio 50 inch Plasma thru HDMI to 720p resolution (not even the 1080p it's capable of, (of course there are hardly any displays with this resolution yet.)

I'll be years before or even if the format war settles down, or if it even takes off as anything other than a niche thing (which is obviously very likely.) And it may well be superseded by HD web downloading within a couple of years. But the quality!!!! I walked out almost howling to think of this image quality applied to thousands of great movies, and the HD sources that already exist for them. For me anyway it was as startling a leap as the transition from LD to DVD nine years ago.

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#22 Post by cdnchris » Sun May 14, 2006 4:05 am

If either format wins in the end I honestly think the video game industry will play a big part.

For example there was that video game expo this past week. Apparently Sony's new Playstation, which uses Blu-Ray, didn't do all that well, Nintendo taking all their thunder. Plus Sony announced the system would be $600 (or $500 if you wanted a smaller version.) Apparently that's not going over too well with gamers on the web and I overheard a few gamers in the lunch room not at all happy about the Playstation price, saying they're not buying it until it goes way down in price, instead sticking with the Nintendo, which is said to probably be between $200 and $300. While I know Nintendo doesn't use either technology, it could take a big bite out of Sony's sales, and they've spent a lot on this technology and I know they're hoping the Playstation will boost it. As well, Microsoft has had their new system out for a while (though they purposely shipped out less than demand) and it uses HD-DVD. It's also cheaper. And you can already buy movies for it.

With the violent reaction to the pricing (even the games are going to be more) it looks like Sony might be shooting themselves in the foot.

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#23 Post by david hare » Sun May 14, 2006 4:22 am

No doubt Chris. I am fascinated because the whole launch has been so totally fucked up. But you have to admit the PQ makes even HD TV look like crap.

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#24 Post by Schkura » Sun May 14, 2006 7:44 am

There are also rumors of an HD DVD drive coming for Microsoft's Xbox 360. I think Mr. Pogue correctly surmises that video game consoles will play a noticeable part in the upcoming market battle and that the cost of a PlayStation 3 will be prohibitive for many gamers, putting Blu-Ray at a marked disadvantage.

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#25 Post by cdnchris » Sun May 14, 2006 12:59 pm

Oh I thought the XBox already used it. My mistake. I just found out it still uses DVD-9 technology, and I'm not sure what Nintendo uses. Those same small discs like their Game Cube?

I saw screen grabs of the new Playstation and the images are amazing, there's no doubt about that. The textures and such are incredible. But $600??

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