The Conformist and 1900
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It's problematic, cause obviously Bertolucci approved of what the final italian version was. Everyone just spoke what they knew back then, and then they'd worry about the soundtrack after. I like to stick with whatever the director's preference is.Arn777 wrote:Yes, for Trintignant Sanda and Clementi's original voice. For the rest of the cast, French dubs at the time were actually very good.
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What a poor decision. For the "dance of the blind" segment, I'm assuming it switches to Italian, then? That's going to confuse almost every casual viewer.Same on The Conformist, you get the English track first
Personally, I don't understand why anybody would want to watch "The Conformist" in anything but Italian (and the same goes for "The Leopard" and "L' Eclisse" and "La Strada" and "Rocco and His Brothers" and every other Italian film where an actor is dubbed). I could go on for about five pages about how the Italian language is integral to the success of this film, but particularly when he goes to France (where incidental French is spoken by the cast), Marcello Clerici must be speaking Italian for that part of the story to make perfect sense (the scene where Gastone Moschin is accused by a French woman of speaking Italian to French birds surely must be lost in both dubs, among other scenes).
However, I can understand watching it in French more than I can understand Paramount's decision to put the English dub on automatic.
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- Arn777
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Dylan, fair point re The Conformist.
I am all for watching films in their original languages, with the exception of Italian films of the 60's-early 70s involving several French actors with key parts (and because dubbing was taken very seriously in France at the time). I watched the Rene Chateau DVD of Rocco last week which only has the French dub and it is a really fine dub.
I am all for watching films in their original languages, with the exception of Italian films of the 60's-early 70s involving several French actors with key parts (and because dubbing was taken very seriously in France at the time). I watched the Rene Chateau DVD of Rocco last week which only has the French dub and it is a really fine dub.
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I can see where you're coming from, but for me alternate dubs of Italian films have never been an option (although they interest me very much as a point of reference).I am all for watching films in their original languages, with the exception of Italian films of the 60's-early 70s involving several French actors with key parts (and because dubbing was taken very seriously in France at the time). I watched the Rene Chateau DVD of Rocco last week which only has the French dub and it is a really fine dub.
To keep this "Conformist" specific, this also has to do with my rather deep adoration of the story itself, and how "Italian" it feels to me. During the film's central love scene, where Marcello asks his wife details about her first sexual experience right before he proceeds to have sex with her, the entire color scheme transforms as the train crosses borders into France. For me, part of the power here is the idea that he's going into another country (a new language, French, a new "color," blue) to carry on his mission, all the while having sex with his wife to stabilize the normality he feels he's achieved by marrying her. Needless to say, this scene is incredibly powerful to me, and for me, part of it is because the POV is Italian, and his entire world is visually and subconsciously changing as he goes into France.
I respect your point of view, it's just not one I share, particularly in the case of "The Conformist."
With that said, international films dubbing lead actors still occurs today, the first example that comes to mind being Lars Rudolph for "Werkmeister Harmonies," and I would never want to watch that film in German.
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Yea I saw that run in Film Forum and though the colors had a slightly antique-y/analog hue to them, I wasn't sure that it wasn't unintentional, owing to the heavy neo-expressionistic (maybe noir, almost Altonesque) aura to those sublime images. It was the first time I'd seen the film in widescreen & in the correct language, and was thoroughly blown away. I walked out feeling like I'd taken some nuclear blasts off an opiated chong of Thai-stick.
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I've just reacquainted myself - reluctantly - with Kino's subtitles on The Color of Pomegranates, which are not only yellow but in a serif font and with a prominent drop shadow.Barmy wrote:Man those yellow subtitles look awful. Does anybody actually prefer yellow?
Hideous isn't the word. Or rather, it is the word, but it's somehow inadequate.
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You, sir, are a fool!Barmy wrote:I'm passing on Conformist. I've seen it enough times. If it had white subtitles, I'd get it. But those subtitles are not just yellow, they are overlarge and grossly fonted. I'm not going to reward anyone for the idiocy of ugly yellow subtitles.
Since 1900 has an English track, I'll pick that up.
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I don't think so but there are all sorts of people, I guess.Barmy wrote:Man those yellow subtitles look awful. Does anybody actually prefer yellow?
I'm actually going to wait for a local release in my country because portuguese Paramount's DVDs never come with yellow subs, only white. And thank the Lord for that.
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Well he was (albeit indirectly) responsible for the creation of some terrible films: Christopher Columbus: The Discovery... Carry On Columbus...Lino wrote:Hmm, I can see that you're not that barmy as you seem to show.
So, I guess you have to put the blame on Christopher Columbus now...?
And his namesake did make Bicentennial Man!
I don't think so, They look garish but many local distributors here in Australia use them. I think it has something to do with the fact that SBS which is a TV network that screens foreign films always uses yellow subtitles so they use this as a reference. However, I think there is a slight change as I have noticed some R4 releases now have white subtitles such as Accent's splendid, Story of Marie & Julien, and Madman's Ozu films. But one thing I won;t stand for is yellow subs on B&W films. I simply will not buy them or, if I do buy them by accident, I will throw them out.Barmy wrote:Man those yellow subtitles look awful. Does anybody actually prefer yellow?
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Yellow subs on a black and white film? Solution: turn the color down to zero on your TV. The R1 La Dolce Vita caused a furore when it was released, but the deluxe box edition has white subs apparently. Aye, just turn the color doon, folks! The yella subs on the R4 Red Desert were fucking annoying as fuck, though. Fucking cunts down in that Australia.
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aww, well there goes my free dvds...Gordon wrote:Yellow subs on a black and white film? Solution: turn the color down to zero on your TV. The R1 La Dolce Vita caused a furore when it was released, but the deluxe box edition has white subs apparently. Aye, just turn the color doon, folks! The yella subs on the R4 Red Desert were fucking annoying as fuck, though. Fucking cunts down in that Australia.
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Nice brogue, laddie. S'a 'boot time.Gordon wrote:Yellow subs on a black and white film? Solution: turn the color down to zero on your TV. The R1 La Dolce Vita caused a furore when it was released, but the deluxe box edition has white subs apparently. Aye, just turn the color doon, folks! The yella subs on the R4 Red Desert were fucking annoying as fuck, though. Fucking cunts down in that Australia.
Now if the Canucks here would only follow every written sentence with ',eh' we can start getting some national definition on here--
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