Jacques Rivette
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I loved Out 1 by the end, but my experience with Rivette so far involves a lot of pushing through the confusion and, quite often, boredom. Essentially, I don't understand why I'm seeing the majority of what I'm seeing as I'm seeing it. Yet somehow, every time I reach the conclusion, the film suddenly makes a considerable degree of sense, cohering around an idea or a way of considering everything that had come before it. As this is a considerable investment in even the average Rivette film, I can certainly understand why Out 1 in particular would just be too much. Though its episodic structure made it easier to reach each successive hurdle, I'm very glad I didn't do one of those two-day marathon screenings. I definitely wouldn't advise it as a starting place with the filmmaker, but if you've had rewarding experiences with him already, it's well worth pushing on.
I will say that while it does get MORE conventional as it goes, that also makes it doubly frustrating when they do go back to another tedious theatre exercise (though I gather I liked those sections more than most, there were certainly some that I could barely stand). Don't they know there's only an hour left in this thing?!
I will say that while it does get MORE conventional as it goes, that also makes it doubly frustrating when they do go back to another tedious theatre exercise (though I gather I liked those sections more than most, there were certainly some that I could barely stand). Don't they know there's only an hour left in this thing?!
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I don't know if this has been stated on a different topic thread, but I was just browsing Netflix and noticed that Out 1 is up in its entirety in the form of the 8 episodes separately (it's labelled as TV show, "1 season"). There goes my weekend.
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Wow. Out 1 streaming in pristine quality on Netflix, and A Brighter Summer Day on Criterion Blu sitting on my shelf. It's like I'm living in some kind of exotic cinephile future that would have seemed impossible a decade ago.
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- knives
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Exciting news. I had thought they were lost forever. I wonder how/ if they will be made ready for public consumption outside of theatrical screenings?
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Curious about these three shorts.
Now let's have somebody get on the case of restoring his 80s films!!
Now let's have somebody get on the case of restoring his 80s films!!
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Jacques Rivette
Mary Wiles (author of Jacques Rivette from University of Illinois Press) announced on The Projection Booth podcast that L'amour fou will be receiving a home video release but would not say who the distributor was. Perhaps a Rivette Collection Volume 2 is in the works from Arrow?
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Holy smokes, great news!
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Yes, it's one of his best films - can't wait...
- Michael Kerpan
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It is certainly his most harrowing....
- bearcuborg
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Finally, my favorite Rivette. I'll have very few bootlegs left after this gets the deluxe treatment.
- knives
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Be still my heart. Now if only it comes with The Nun or those recently discovered shorts and we will be stupid fortunate.
- zedz
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I think it's only this film, The Nun and Haut bas fragile that we're missing in English-friendly editions (or at all). That would make for a weird box set, but I wouldn't complain!
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Aren't a bunch of those old Rivette DVD releases long out of print?
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Subtitles for "La religieuse" and "Haut bas fragile" can easily be found on the web via openly available subtitle sites like opensubtitles.org or subscene.com . Not too much of a problem to play them with the French editions of these films if you use VLC or a similar program; a bit more technical savvy is needed to make a customized dvd to add these subs if you want to use a standalone player.
But "L'amour fou" is on a totally different level, as there's simply no official release with or without subtitles available anywhere (and even the best backchannels version is a pretty bad VHS copy). So if this really finally comes out, I'll be overjoyed. After that, we'll only need a proper release of "Jeanne la Pucelle" to replace that awful AE edition, which curiously still is the only version of the complete, uncut film(s). "Jeanne" isn't even available in France, which seriously surprises me.
But "L'amour fou" is on a totally different level, as there's simply no official release with or without subtitles available anywhere (and even the best backchannels version is a pretty bad VHS copy). So if this really finally comes out, I'll be overjoyed. After that, we'll only need a proper release of "Jeanne la Pucelle" to replace that awful AE edition, which curiously still is the only version of the complete, uncut film(s). "Jeanne" isn't even available in France, which seriously surprises me.
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Which ones are you thinking of? All the BFI, Artificial Eye and Bluebell titles I can think of still seem to be available from Amazon.uk except for La Belle Noiseuse, though Divertimento is still available in an Emmanuelle Beart box set.Michael Kerpan wrote:Aren't a bunch of those old Rivette DVD releases long out of print?
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I was thinking of the US DVDs of Secret defense, Bande a quatre and Hurlevent
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Great news! Can't wait.subliminac wrote:Mary Wiles (author of Jacques Rivette from University of Illinois Press) announced on The Projection Booth podcast that L'amour fou will be receiving a home video release but would not say who the distributor was. Perhaps a Rivette Collection Volume 2 is in the works from Arrow?
Tommaso, I do have an acceptable copy of L'Amour Fou with perfectly readable English subs – if you want to shoot me a PM, I'll dropbox it to you (as a foretaste to the, I'd imagine, infinitely better DVD release!).
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Stéphane Tchalgadjieff didn't produce L'Amour fou tho. Or maybe they talked to the rights holder while working on the other Rivettes?subliminac wrote:Perhaps a Rivette Collection Volume 2 is in the works from Arrow?
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L'Amour Fou and L'amour par Terre were two of his big ones I missed out on, so hooray!!
Still crossing my fingers that a "vol 2" is in the making, including La Bande des Quatre!!
Still crossing my fingers that a "vol 2" is in the making, including La Bande des Quatre!!
- zedz
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As noted above, La Bande des Quatre (and L'Amour par Terre) are currently in print from another UK label, so they almost certainly won't be available for Arrow. As far as I'm aware, only the three films I noted above haven't been released on UK DVD, and almost everything seems to still be in print, so Arrow's pickings are slim.nolanoe wrote:L'Amour Fou and L'amour par Terre were two of his big ones I missed out on, so hooray!!
Still crossing my fingers that a "vol 2" is in the making, including La Bande des Quatre!!
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Jonathan Rosenbaum was also interviewed for the podcast and said it's taken New Yorker so long to release Celine and Julie on DVD because Dan Talbot doesn't even like the film. They never wanted to release it at all theatrically but the rights were too cheap to pass up.subliminac wrote:Mary Wiles (author of Jacques Rivette from University of Illinois Press) announced on The Projection Booth podcast that L'amour fou will be receiving a home video release but would not say who the distributor was.
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Jean-Luc Garbo wrote:Jonathan Rosenbaum was also interviewed for the podcast and said it's taken New Yorker so long to release Celine and Julie on DVD because Dan Talbot doesn't even like the film. They never wanted to release it at all theatrically but the rights were too cheap to pass up.
That is just appalling. Hearing that just makes me livid with anger. So New Yorker holds on to the film, for some of us a potential desert–island film, so to speak, and keeping everyone who does love it from having the chance to do right by it because...why? They got a deal they couldn't resist? A deal they never planned to capitalize on? It's maddening.
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I listened through the whole Projection Booth episode, which was very nicely done. The interview with Rosenbaum was the highlight for me, though I always like their discussions in the early part of the show, and I liked this one very much.
I do feel as though, really just because none of them had seen the film in a very long time, that all three hosts/guests downplayed the connection between Desperately Seeking Susan and Celine & Julie. I believe in her commentary on the film, Seidelman even mentions Celine & Julie as a large influence. Mike mentions the magic shows as a connection, which I can see for sure, but there are also whole sections where Roberta shadows Susan through the city streets. Susan carries a magic box full of treasures, and she has a jacket that is emblazoned with tarot–like imagery. And there's a sense in Desperately Seeking Susan of the leading ladies pursuing a kind of imaginary play space in a city whose realities have a sense of danger about them as well. I remember watching Desperately Seeking Susan and thinking that, if you were going to do a Hollywood remake of the Celine & Julie, this is exactly how it would have to come across, with a sense of mayhem and fussy plot contortions to create the motivations that come from deeper, less forced places in the Rivette film.
I do feel as though, really just because none of them had seen the film in a very long time, that all three hosts/guests downplayed the connection between Desperately Seeking Susan and Celine & Julie. I believe in her commentary on the film, Seidelman even mentions Celine & Julie as a large influence. Mike mentions the magic shows as a connection, which I can see for sure, but there are also whole sections where Roberta shadows Susan through the city streets. Susan carries a magic box full of treasures, and she has a jacket that is emblazoned with tarot–like imagery. And there's a sense in Desperately Seeking Susan of the leading ladies pursuing a kind of imaginary play space in a city whose realities have a sense of danger about them as well. I remember watching Desperately Seeking Susan and thinking that, if you were going to do a Hollywood remake of the Celine & Julie, this is exactly how it would have to come across, with a sense of mayhem and fussy plot contortions to create the motivations that come from deeper, less forced places in the Rivette film.