The Lists Project

An ongoing survey of the Criterion Forum membership to create lists of the best films of each decade and genre.
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Re: The Lists Project

#2151 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:05 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:48 pm
+ Does anyone care about Lumet to do a List Project? I'm skeptical when far more well-liked directors here failed to make the cut last time. If someone makes a convincing argument I may add him to the poll
I'd be interested in that one just because I've seen very few of his films so far.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2152 Post by Mr Sausage » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:16 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:56 pm
I think a studio-specific list sounds intriguing, though I fear for Hammer it's too close to an existing List (Horror)
I think the problem is that studio specific lists are going to tend to be close to existing lists, whether genre or decade, by nature.

I'd also love to do an action list. As a whole, the action genre lends itself to a lot of political and cultural discussion (especially when looking across different decades and nations). Plus, you know, they're a lot of fun.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2153 Post by knives » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:39 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:56 pm
Romance was nixed in the last poll. I tried to get interest in a France List and no one thought it was a good idea, but my regular viewings are already a France List so whatever. I think a studio-specific list sounds intriguing, though I fear for Hammer it's too close to an existing List (Horror)
That's unfortunate, though maybe that's because of the ready made surplus of French films (I'm not particularly favorable to the country and it still is the second most scene by me). I wonder then if a less obvious country (though still abundantly popular) like Japan or Italy would do better at the polls?
Also a pox on those that voted against romance.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2154 Post by Werewolf by Night » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:51 pm

Any interest in a John Huston auteur list? It’s hard to get a read on his reputation here.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2155 Post by knives » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:58 pm

I'd be down.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2156 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:01 pm

Oh my God you guys, please read the post I linked to, I can't keep saying the same thing haha

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#2157 Post by Werewolf by Night » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:11 pm

Sorry, I did read it but overlooked Huston’s name. I retract my suggestion (and I guess my estimation of his reputation here has been confirmed).

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Re: The Lists Project

#2158 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:13 pm

I interrupted it a while back, but personally I've been doing Borzage. I've got 28 of his - Criterion's release of Moonrise will bring it up to 29. And there are other films available from him, as I didn't get everything I could.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2159 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:42 pm

Werewolf by Night wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:11 pm
Sorry, I did read it but overlooked Huston’s name. I retract my suggestion (and I guess my estimation of his reputation here has been confirmed).
It's okay, I just thought it was getting a bit like vaudeville in here!


Honestly, if enough of our regular contributors to the List Projects think they'd participate in a previously nixed list idea, make it known and I'll put it up in this year's poll

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Re: The Lists Project

#2160 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:49 pm

By nixed, if you mean those "no longer in contention" based on previous surveys, I'd be up for: New German Cinema, Altman, Cukor, Huston, Chabrol, Wyler

Has someone ever proposed spy films?

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Re: The Lists Project

#2161 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:54 pm

Rayon Vert wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:49 pm
By nixed, if you mean those "no longer in contention" based on previous surveys
Yep!

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Re: The Lists Project

#2162 Post by BenoitRouilly » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:27 pm

I like these Top50 decade lists

I made this list a while ago : the greatest decades in order the 60ies, the 2000s, the 50ies, the 90ies, the 20ies...
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Re: The Lists Project

#2163 Post by diamonds » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:37 pm

Rayon Vert wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:49 pm
Has someone ever proposed spy films?
I'm really curious if there are "enough" films for this. The Spy Who Came in from the Cold and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy would constitute one of my favorite "genres," but I haven't been too successful finding other films that feel like them – slow-moving spy dramas versus films with spies that tend toward action or crime. If anything, I'd love to see (and participate in) a list project like this for the discovery aspect.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2164 Post by domino harvey » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:44 pm

As stated earlier, I'm going to make another poll for upcoming lists. There is some carryover for lists nixed last time, but I will not be putting up suggestions from the last poll that bombed terribly (sorry about Cukor, Rayon Vert). I will not be putting up suggestions that have already been confirmed for a future list. Here is what I have, which is mostly potential auteur lists:
Claude Chabrol
Brian de Palma
Werner Herzog
John Huston
Otto Preminger
Steven Spielberg
Billy Wilder
William Wyler

Cesar Best Film nominees and winners
Shakespeare Adaptations
I will make a thread with a link to the poll, which will be a thirty day poll like last time, when it's ready. If anyone has any good suggestions that have not already been confirmed or nixed, please speak now or wait another year for me to do this again (maybe)

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Re: The Lists Project

#2165 Post by domino harvey » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:53 pm

Survey is live -- if you have any questions, feel free to ask them here

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Re: The Lists Project

#2166 Post by domino harvey » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:45 am

Last day to vote-- due to some last minute contributions I don't think I have to worry about it, but last night we had a worst case scenario going on, with a three way tie for third place, which would have been amusing. The line between making and not making the cut is still obtainable (two directors are two votes away from forcing a tie), and let me emphasize again that you won't be voting for a List Project again for some time-- I've run the numbers, I will be able to provide a schedule through 2022 once the results are finalized here. Who knows if we'll even have movies that far into the future

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Re: The Lists Project

#2167 Post by domino harvey » Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:11 am

Final results of polling from 32 members: Chabrol and Wilder tied for first, with Preminger just behind. The Wilder List will include films he wrote but did not direct, since otherwise his output is too low. For those curious, the short-lived three way tie was between Preminger and Wyler and Soderbergh-- better luck next time, fellas! Wyler and Soderbergh were way ahead of Wilder and Preminger up until the last couple days, and Chabrol was always in the lead from the start (thank you everyone for realizing your error). In four years Soderbergh will probably have another thirty qualifying films, anyways. Shakespeare List is a go, the Horror and Musicals Reduxes will not run concurrent with other non-decade lists, and the Cesar Awards "List" will be an on-going affair like the Alt Best Pictures-- though we will be finally tabulating those this spring in a massive three-way Oscar List! I will be creating the Cesar Awards thread soon...

So, what does this mean? Well, below is our schedule through 2022. Other than the Oscar, Horror, and Chabrol lists, which I purposely scheduled, the order of all other post-Allen lists was decided with a random generator

10/18 - 12/18 Pre-Code Hollywood Mini List
12/18 - 02/19 Screwball Comedies Mini List
02/19 - 03/19 Woody Allen Auteur List
03/19 - 05/19 Best Picture Mini List Trio: Nominees (thru 1968) + Nominees (1969-Present) + Winners (All Years)
06/19 - 08/19 Claude Chabrol Auteur List
08/19 - 09/19 Shakespeare Adaptations Mini List
10/19 - 04/20 Horror List Redux
04/20 - 05/20 Billy Wilder Auteur List
06/20 - 07/20 Howard Hawks Auteur List
08/20 - 02/21 Sci-Fi List
03/21 - 04/21 Otto Preminger Auteur List
05/21 - 06/21 Best First Features Mini List
07/21 - 08/21 RW Fassbinder Auteur List
08/21 - 09/21 Akira Kurosawa Auteur List
10/21 - 11/21 Czechoslovak New Wave Mini List
11/21 - 03/22 Musicals List Redux

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Re: The Lists Project

#2168 Post by swo17 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:23 am

Looks great! Let's just hope that's enough time for Arrow or whoever to upgrade a sizable chunk of Chabrol's output.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2169 Post by Werewolf by Night » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:43 am

Can I get a list of all the people who didn’t vote for Wyler so I can add them to my “foes” list?

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Re: The Lists Project

#2170 Post by domino harvey » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:10 pm

It was close. I may just end up tacking Wyler and Soderbergh onto the end of our schedule since it's so long already, but let's see how I feel in four years, Jesus Christ

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Re: The Lists Project

#2171 Post by Rayon Vert » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:22 pm

Sounds great. I'm happy the horror and sci-fi projects are of six months' duration, and I like the way they're all spread out.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2172 Post by BenoitRouilly » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:43 pm

I was eyeing on the Czech New Wave list but I'll be dead by then...
Why so heavy on Americans until late 2021 (except for Chabrol)?

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#2173 Post by Werewolf by Night » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:59 pm

There are lists on Renoir and Godard in progress right now. Before that were Buñuel, Lang, and Bergman. In fact, the Ford list in progress right now is the first ever Auteur list for an American director.

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#2174 Post by BenoitRouilly » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:59 am

I didn't know that. Thanks

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Re: The Lists Project

#2175 Post by swo17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:09 pm

This is my proposed schedule for the rest of Round 4 of the decades projects:

02/19 - 11/19 1940s
11/19 - 08/20 1950s
08/20 - 05/21 2010s (just for fun, doesn't affect eligibility for all-time list)
05/21 - 02/22 1960s
02/22 - 11/22 1970s
11/22 - 08/23 1980s
08/23 - 05/24 1990s
05/24 - 02/25 2000s
02/25 - 11/25 2010s (for real this time)
11/25 - 04/26 2020-2024 (1st half of 2020s)
04/26 - 12/26 The All-Time List


Note the new nine-month timeframe for each decade to space things out better. (I like a year to have passed before we do a newly completed time period.)

Thoughts?

Also, how do people feel about the two-week period for Round 2? Too long? Too short? Just right?

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