The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions (Decade Project Vol. 4)

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#326 Post by swo17 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:10 pm

As a reminder, you all have until the end of the day Sunday (or really, when I wake up Monday morning) to send me lists or revisions to your lists

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#327 Post by dustybooks » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:54 am

Aside from the aforementioned SIsters of the Gion, my orphans from this first round were:
- The Dawn Patrol (Hawks) - I discovered this when I was watching all of the writing/screenplay Oscar winners a few years ago. Being a longtime acolyte for All Quiet on the Western Front I was surprised to find another film with an equally incisive message about the cruelty of the same war, and found its dramatics nearly as gripping. I've discussed it on the forum previously but years later I was kind of miffed to see a poster for it at the Smithsonian Air & Space museum that essentially claimed it was uncomplicated pro-war propaganda. This just underlined that more folks need to see this film!
- The Scoundrel (Hecht/MacArthur) - These days this is a near-total obscurity but I found it a vital, nearly ageless exploration of an academic egomaniac played by Noel Coward, who serves as a kind of powerful specter of cruelty in the publishing world in which he works. Coward's performance is obnoxious and perfect, and there's a really splendid ensemble of hangers-on surrounding him. And while I can't guarantee it would be successful for everyone, when the film abruptly takes a turn into the supernatural, I found Coward's moment of catharsis deeply moving.
- The Private Life of Henry VIII (Korda) - I suspect a lot of you have seen this, and I can understand not being totally blown away by it; but I have a weakness for Laughton at his most bombastic, and for systematic deconstructions of masculinity.
- Min and Bill (Hill) - No doubt this is sentimental, but it's separated from something like Vidor's The Champ in the sense that I really believe all of the characters. Its depiction of (semi-)parental sacrifice got to me, thanks largely to Dressler's wonderful performance. Plus, for an MGM production, it has surprising grit.
- The Most Dangerous Game (Pichel/Schoedsack) - Am I the only one who likes this (even) more than King Kong?

There are several titles in the orphans list that I really love and may incorporate in my revised list: The Invisible Man, Lady for a Day, Secret Agent and One Hour with You jump out at me. Also, on recently seeing L'Atalante again I realized I placed it far too low...

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#328 Post by swo17 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:39 pm

Thanks to everyone for your participation this round. I'll be releasing the results shortly in the next three posts. Here as usual is a guide to what the figures listed after each film represent, each separated with a slash mark:

1. Total points (50 for each #1 placement, 49 for each #2, etc.)
2. Number of lists the film appeared on (out of 24 submitted). If the film appeared in anyone's top 10, the number of top 10 appearances is also denoted in parentheses.
3. Highest placement of the film on any one list. If more than one person ranked the film this high, this is also denoted in parentheses.
4. Change in position from the 2011 list, with movements of 10 or more highlighted.

So for example, the 305/10(3)/4(x2)/+25 shown for Fury means that it scored 305 points and appeared on ten lists (and three top 10s), with two people ranking it as high as #4. The film also moved up 25 positions from its placement on the 2011 list.

For the list of orphans, only figure #3 is displayed (the highest rank, not the score given).

If anyone would like me to PM them a list of how all of their picks fared in the overall tally (rather than having to scour through all of the results) it's a simple thing for me to do. Just let me know.

I'll start the 1940s thread in the next few days. In the meantime, feel free to continue discussion in this thread regarding the results of this project and to share your individual lists (including defenses of your poor-faring favorites).

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#329 Post by swo17 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:40 pm

The 1930s List

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01. La Grande Illusion (Jean Renoir, 1938) 526/13(8)/1/+4
02. The Rules of the Game (Jean Renoir, 1939) 492/12(6)/1/-1
03. Vampyr (Carl Dreyer, 1932) 468/15(6)/2/+3
04. Modern Times (Charles Chaplin, 1936) 434/12(6)/1/+18
05. Only Angels Have Wings (Howard Hawks, 1939) 427/13(6)/1/+11
06. Trouble in Paradise (Ernst Lubitsch, 1932) 422/11(5)/1(x2)/-3
07. The Scarlet Empress (Josef von Sternberg, 1934) 389/13(5)/3/--
08. My Man Godfrey (Gregory La Cava, 1936) 385/12(3)/2/+26
09. The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (Fritz Lang, 1933) 380/11(4)/5(x2)/+9
10. It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934) 377/10(5)/2/+26
11. M (Fritz Lang, 1931) 374/10(6)/1/-2
12. City Lights (Charles Chaplin, 1931) 369/9(6)/1(x2)/-2
13. The Lady Vanishes (Alfred Hitchcock, 1938) 362/12(4)/1/+6
14. Bringing Up Baby (Howard Hawks, 1938) 361/10(3)/5/-12
15. L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) 358/11(2)/1(x2)/-11
16. Stagecoach (John Ford, 1939) 346/11(5)/2(x2)/-3
17. The 39 Steps (Alfred Hitchcock, 1935) 335/11(5)/2/--
18. Port of Shadows (Marcel Carné, 1938) 331/11(5)/3/+1
19. Shanghai Express (Josef von Sternberg, 1932) 323/10/12(x2)/-11
20. Fury (Fritz Lang, 1936) 305/10(3)/4(x2)/+25
21. Partie de campagne (Jean Renoir, 1936) 293/10(1)/8/-7
22. The Roaring Twenties (Raoul Walsh, 1939) 286/9(2)/6(x2)/+2
23. I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang (Mervyn LeRoy, 1932) 278/7(4)/1/+21
24. Love Me Tonight (Rouben Mamoulian, 1932) 270/7(4)/2/+5
25. Gold Diggers of 1933 (Mervyn LeRoy, 1933) 259/9(3)/1/+57
26. Tabu (F.W. Murnau, 1931) 248/8(2)/8/-15
27. Holiday (George Cukor, 1938) 245/8(2)/3/+5
28. The Story of the Last Chrysanthemum (Kenji Mizoguchi, 1939) 240/8(2)/8/+9
29. Ninotchka (Ernst Lubitsch, 1939) 239/10(1)/1/+27
30. Make Way for Tomorrow (Leo McCarey, 1937) 229/8/13/-18
31. I Was Born, But… (Yasujirô Ozu, 1932) 227/8(1)/2/-10
32. Duck Soup (Leo McCarey, 1933) 225/8(2)/7/-7
33. People on Sunday (Robert Siodmak & Edgar Ulmer, 1930) 222/7(2)/5(x2)/+15
(tie) Stage Door (Gregory La Cava, 1937) 222/7(3)/9(x2)/-6
35. Pépé le Moko (Julien Duvivier, 1937) 212/9(1)/5/-20
36. Boudu Saved from Drowning (Jean Renoir, 1932) 211/6(2)/3/-13
37. L'Âge d'or (Luis Buñuel, 1930) 207/8(3)/3/+14
38. Mr. Thank You (Hiroshi Shimizu, 1936) 202/6(2)/1/-3
39. Liebelei (Max Ophüls, 1933) 196/6(2)/4/+6
40. The Awful Truth (Leo McCarey, 1937) 193/9(1)/9/+12
41. All Quiet on the Western Front (Lewis Milestone, 1930) 191/8(3)/5/-8
42. Ruggles of Red Gap (Leo McCarey, 1935) 188/7(1)/5/+50
43. The Wizard of Oz (Victor Fleming, 1939) 186/6(1)/10/-1
44. The Only Son (Yasujirô Ozu, 1936) 181/7(1)/6/-4
45. Morocco (Josef von Sternberg, 1930) 180/5(2)/6/+66
(tie) Le Million (René Clair, 1931) 180/9/14/+49
47. City Girl (F.W. Murnau, 1930) 179/7(1)/5/-16
48. Blonde Venus (Josef von Sternberg, 1932) 168/5(2)/2/+4
49. Dishonored (Josef von Sternberg, 1931) 160/6/12/+143
50. Bride of Frankenstein (James Whale, 1935) 157/6(2)/4/-20
51. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (Frank Capra, 1939) 156/6(1)/2/+38
52. The Blue Angel (Josef von Sternberg, 1930) 152/6(2)/2/+57
53. Twentieth Century (Howard Hawks, 1934) 151/5(1)/1/-3
(tie) The Thin Man (W.S. Van Dyke, 1934) 151/7(2)/1/+57
(tie) Sabotage (Alfred Hitchcock, 1936) 151/5/15/New
56. Design for Living (Ernst Lubitsch, 1933) 150/6(1)/9/-19
57. Earth (Aleksandr Dovzhenko, 1930) 149/7(1)/7/-18
58. Les Misérables (Raymond Bernard, 1934) 148/5(2)/1/New
(tie) Zéro de conduite (Jean Vigo, 1933) 148/5(1)/10/+10
60. An Inn in Tokyo (Yasujirô Ozu, 1935) 147/4(3)/1(x2)/+58
61. Marius (Alexander Korda, 1931) 146/5(2)/7/+53
62. Happiness (Aleksandr Medvedkin, 1935) 144/6(1)/4/+24
63. Der Kongreß tanzt (Erik Charell, 1931) 140/4(1)/1/+2
64. The Public Enemy (William Wellman, 1931) 139/5/14/-5
65. You Can't Take It with You (Frank Capra, 1939) 131/4(2)/3/+104
(tie) Gueule d'amour (Jean Grémillon, 1937) 131/4(1)/6/-22
67. Der Student von Prag (Arthur Robison, 1935) 128/4(1)/5/+32
68. The Adventures of Robin Hood (Michael Curtiz, 1938) 127/4(2)/6(x2)/+33
69. Maskerade (Willi Forst, 1934) 126/3(2)/2/-3
(tie) Study No. 7 (Oskar Fischinger, 1931) 126/3(2)/2/-8
71. Drôle de drame (Marcel Carné, 1937) 125/5/12(x2)/-7
72. The 3 Penny Opera (G.W. Pabst, 1931) 123/6/18/+14
73. Swing You Sinners! (Dave Fleischer, 1930) 119/5(1)/8/+84
(tie) Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (Rouben Mamoulian, 1931) 119/4(1)/8/--
(tie) The Blood of a Poet (Jean Cocteau, 1930) 119/5(1)/9/+21
76. Top Hat (Mark Sandrich, 1935) 118/7/22/-7
77. Angel (Ernst Lubitsch, 1937) 116/3(2)/1/+92
(tie) Freaks (Tod Browning, 1932) 116/3(1)/5/+14
(tie) American Madness (Frank Capra, 1932) 116/4(1)/5/+80
80. Apart from You (Mikio Naruse, 1933) 114/4(1)/2/+12
81. Bad Girl (Frank Borzage, 1931) 112/3(2)/7/+70
82. The Smiling Lieutenant (Ernst Lubitsch, 1931) 111/5/11/+79
83. Salt for Svanetia (Mikhail Kalatozov, 1930) 110/5/18/+20
84. Le Crime de Monsieur Lange (Jean Renoir, 1936) 109/4(1)/7/-26
(tie) King Kong (Merian Cooper & Ernest Schoedsack, 1933) 109/6(1)/9/-43
86. Alexander Nevsky (Sergei Eisenstein, 1938) 108/4(1)/4/+17
(tie) Midnight (Mitchell Leisen, 1939) 108/5(1)/10/-19
88. Un carnet de bal (Julien Duvivier, 1937) 107/3(1)/5/New
89. Workers, Let's Go! (Martin Frič, 1934) 106/3(2)/5/New
(tie) Scarface (Howard Hawks, 1932) 106/6/13/-4
91. The Devil Is a Woman (Josef von Sternberg, 1935) 104/4(1)/4/-65
(tie) Le Grand Jeu (Jacques Feyder, 1934) 104/4(1)/9/+56
(tie) The Man Who Knew Too Much (Alfred Hitchcock, 1934) 104/4/18/New
94. Mädchen in Uniform (Leontine Sagan & Carl Froelich, 1931) 103/4/12(x2)/+12
(tie) À nous la liberté (René Clair, 1931) 103/4(1)/2/-47
(tie) Young Mr. Lincoln (John Ford, 1939) 103/5/21/-32
97. Le jour se lève (Marcel Carné, 1939) 101/6/17/-27
98. Swing Time (George Stevens, 1936) 99/3(1)/3/+20
99. Humanity and Paper Balloons (Sadao Yamanaka, 1937) 95/3(1)/4/-71
100. Au bonheur des dames (Julien Duvivier, 1930) 94/3(1)/9/-17
(tie) Morgen beginnt das Leben (Werner Hochbaum, 1933) 94/3/14/-25


Top Directors

Jean Renoir (9 films, 1851 points)
Josef von Sternberg (8 films, 1512 points)
Ernst Lubitsch (10 films, 1216 points)
Fritz Lang (4 films, 1120 points)
Howard Hawks (5 films, 1066 points)
Alfred Hitchcock (6 films, 1024 points)
Frank Capra (8 films, 891 points)
Leo McCarey (5 films, 852 points)
Charles Chaplin (2 films, 803 points)
Yasujirô Ozu (11 films, 721 points)

Gregory La Cava (4 films, 626 points)
Jean Vigo (3 films, 579 points)
Marcel Carné (4 films, 577 points)
Mervyn LeRoy (4 films, 547 points)
John Ford (8 films, 545 points)
Julien Duvivier (6 films, 509 points)
Carl Dreyer (1 film, 468 points)
Rouben Mamoulian (4 films, 461 points)
George Cukor (4 films, 452 points)
James Whale (7 films, 449 points)

F.W. Murnau (2 films, 427 points)
Victor Fleming (5 films, 358 points)
Michael Curtiz (8 films, 340 points)
René Clair (3 films, 335 points)
Raoul Walsh (2 films, 317 points)
Hiroshi Shimizu (5 films, 315 points)
Mikio Naruse (6 films, 312 points)
Kenji Mizoguchi (4 films, 311 points)
Max Ophüls (4 films, 304 points)
Luis Buñuel (2 films, 297 points)

Jean Grémillon (3 films, 291 points)
Edgar Ulmer (2 films, 287 points)
William Wellman (6 films, 266 points)
W.S. Van Dyke (4 films, 261 points)
Dave Fleischer (4 films, 247 points)
Robert Siodmak (2 films, 241 points)
Lewis Milestone (2 films, 234 points)
Sergei Eisenstein (4 films, 230 points)
William Wyler (7 films, 228 points)
Frank Borzage (6 films, 220 points)

Alexander Korda (3 films, 207 points)
Norman McLeod (5 films, 204 points)
Raymond Bernard (2 films, 200 points)
Mark Sandrich (2 films, 195 points)
William Dieterle (4 films, 191 points)
Boris Barnet (4 films, 188 points)
Tod Browning (2 films, 183 points)
G.W. Pabst (3 films, 183 points)
Oskar Fischinger (2 films, 165 points)
Michael Powell (2 films, 163 points)


Top Countries

USA (219 films, 51.8% of points)
France (57 films, 18.4% of points)
Germany (45 films, 12% of points)
Japan (36 films, 6.3% of points)
UK (20 films, 5.3% of points)
USSR (16 films, 3.1% of points)
Austria (5 films, 1% of points)
Czechoslovakia (5 films, 0.8% of points)
Italy (6 films, 0.7% of points)
China (5 films, 0.6% of points)

Spain (3 films, 0.3% of points)
Brazil (1 film, 0.3% of points)
Mexico (3 films, 0.3% of points)
Poland (1 film, 0.1% of points)
Portugal (1 film, 0.1% of points)
Hungary (1 film, 0.1% of points)
Finland (1 film, 0.1% of points)
Netherlands (1 film, 0.1% of points)
Belgium (1 film, <0.1% of points)
Sweden (1 film, <0.1% of points)


Results by Year

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Casualties from the Prior List

48. The Edge of the World (now an also-ran)
54. Rapt (now an also-ran)
55. The Bitter Tea of General Yen (now an also-ran)
57. La Petite Lise (now an also-ran)
59. Osaka Elegy (now an also-ran)
62. La Bête humaine (now an also-ran)
71. Las Hurdes (now an also-ran)
71. La signora di tutti (now an also-ran)
74. 42nd Street (now an also-ran)
76. Fährmann Maria (now an also-ran)
76. Sisters of the Gion (now an orphan)
78. Ich bei Tag und du bei Nacht (now an also-ran)
79. Monkey Business (now an also-ran)
80. Tange Sazen and the Pot Worth a Million Ryo (now an also-ran)
81. The Gay Divorcee (now an also-ran)
83. Toni (now an also-ran)
86. Rose Hobart (now voteless)
90. Poil de carotte (now an orphan)
96. Japanese Girls at the Harbor (now an also-ran)
97. Limite (now an also-ran)
98. Morning's Tree-Lined Street (now an orphan)
100. The Goddess (now an also-ran)

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#330 Post by swo17 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:40 pm

Also-Rans

The Women (George Cukor, 1939) 93/4/15/+82
The Spy in Black (Michael Powell, 1939) 92/3(2)/5/+82
The Story of the Fox (Wladyslaw & Irene Starewicz, 1930) 91/3(1)/10/+36
Las Hurdes (Luis Buñuel, 1933) 90/3/14/-34
La Petite Lise (Jean Grémillon, 1930) 90/5/17/-48
Pygmalion (Anthony Asquith & Leslie Howard, 1938) 90/4/23/+7
Limite (Mario Peixoto, 1931) 85/3/22/-11
Toni (Jean Renoir, 1935) 84/4/13/-26
Fährmann Maria (Frank Wisbar, 1936) 82/4(1)/7/-34

Die Drei von der Tankstelle (Wilhelm Thiele, 1930) 82/3(1)/6/+70
The Old Dark House (James Whale, 1932) 82/4/18/New
Snow-White (Dave Fleischer, 1933) 81/2(1)/4/New
The Merry Widow (Ernst Lubitsch, 1934) 81/4/13/+31
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (David Hand, 1937) 80/2(1)/9/+7
The Four Feathers (Zoltán Korda, 1939) 79/2(1)/4/+41
Street Angel (Yuan Mu-jih, 1937) 79/3/14/+21
Ich bei Tag und du bei Nacht (Ludwig Berger, 1932) 78/2(1)/4/-40
It's a Gift (Norman McLeod, 1934) 77/3(1)/5/-2
By the Bluest of Seas (Boris Barnet, 1936) 77/3(1)/7/+45

The Gay Divorcee (Mark Sandrich, 1934) 77/3/16/-38
Das Lied ist aus (Géza von Bolváry, 1930) 76/2(1)/6/+25
The Music Box (James Parrott, 1932) 75/2(1)/7/+44
From Saturday to Sunday (Gustav Machatý, 1931) 73/2(1)/9/New
À propos de Nice (Jean Vigo & Boris Kaufman, 1930) 73/2/14/New
Outskirts (Boris Barnet, 1933) 72/2/11/New
Jewel Robbery (William Dieterle, 1932) 72/3/12/New
The Edge of the World (Michael Powell, 1937) 71/4/13/-80
Mayerling (Anatole Litvak, 1936) 70/2/16(x2)/+9
Daïnah la métisse (Jean Grémillon, 1931) 70/3/25(x2)/+28

Waterloo Bridge (James Whale, 1931) 70/4/23/+6
The Good Fairy (William Wyler, 1935) 69/4(1)/6/-26
Red Dust (Victor Fleming, 1932) 69/3/25/+39
My Dear Miss Aldrich (George Seitz, 1937) 67/2(1)/4/New
No Blood Relation (Mikio Naruse, 1932) 67/3/18/New
The Devil-Doll (Tod Browning, 1936) 67/3/21/-7
Gone with the Wind (Victor Fleming, 1939) 67/3/23/-26
Union Pacific (Cecil DeMille, 1939) 65/2/13/+47
La Belle Équipe (Julien Duvivier, 1936) 65/2/14/+3
Japanese Girls at the Harbor (Hiroshi Shimizu, 1933) 65/2/16/-42

Sonnenstrahl (Pál Fejös, 1933) 65/2/18/+81
The Black Cat (Edgar Ulmer, 1934) 65/3/23/-33
Viktor und Viktoria (Reinhold Schünzel, 1935) 64/3/20/New
Heroes for Sale (William Wellman, 1933) 63/2(1)/6/--
Doctor X (Michael Curtiz, 1932) 63/3/11/+80
Camille (George Cukor, 1936) 62/3(1)/9/New
Island of Lost Souls (Erle Kenton, 1932) 62/3/13/New
¡Qué viva México! (Sergei Eisenstein, 1934) 61/3(1)/2/+37
Every Night Dreams (Mikio Naruse, 1933) 61/3/20/-15
You Only Live Once (Fritz Lang, 1937) 61/4/29/-19

Jezebel (William Wyler, 1938) 60/2/13/New
La Chienne (Jean Renoir, 1931) 60/4/21/-20
La signora di tutti (Max Ophüls, 1934) 60/4/28/-80
Dodsworth (William Wyler, 1936) 59/2(1)/3/+59
Dactylo (Wilhelm Thiele, 1931) 58/2/14/New
Libeled Lady (Jack Conway, 1936) 58/5/19/+17
Peter Ibbetson (Henry Hathaway, 1935) 57/2(1)/9/-34
Mutiny on the Bounty (Frank Lloyd, 1935) 56/2/12/New
The Great Garrick (James Whale, 1937) 55/3/18/New
History Is Made at Night (Frank Borzage, 1939) 54/2(1)/5/-10

The Hunchback of Notre Dame (William Dieterle, 1939) 54/4/35/+7
Bezhin Meadow (Sergei Eisenstein, 1937) 53/2(1)/1/New
Der verlorene Sohn (Luis Trenker, 1934) 53/2(1)/3/New
A Story of Floating Weeds (Yasujirô Ozu, 1934) 52/2(1)/3/+17
Wooden Crosses (Raymond Bernard, 1932) 52/2/11/-1
Sylvia Scarlett (George Cukor, 1935) 52/3/15/New
Things to Come (William Menzies, 1936) 52/2/19/+1
Under the Roofs of Paris (René Clair, 1930) 52/2/23/+1
Big Road (Sun Yu, 1934) 51/2/17/New
Baby Face (Alfred Green, 1933) 51/3/25/+87

Carnival in Flanders (Jacques Feyder, 1935) 50/2(1)/3/+7
Mad Love (Karl Freund, 1935) 50/4/19/-59
Rapt (Dimitri Kirsanoff, 1934) 49/2(1)/3/-119
Grand Hotel (Edmund Goulding, 1932) 49/3/21/New
Mickey's Trailer (Ben Sharpsteen, 1938) 48/2(1)/6/New
The Old Mill (Wilfred Jackson, 1937) 48/2/18/-49
After the Thin Man (W.S. Van Dyke, 1936) 47/2/27/New
Der träumende Mund (Paul Czinner, 1932) 46/2(1)/8/New
The Rains Came (Clarence Brown, 1939) 46/2/13/New
Tange Sazen and the Pot Worth a Million Ryo (Sadao Yamanaka, 1935) 46/3/26/-98

Porky in Wackyland (Robert Clampett, 1938) 45/3/21/+17
Monkey Business (Norman McLeod, 1931) 45/2/28/-102
Young and Innocent (Alfred Hitchcock, 1937) 45/3/32/+64
Our Daily Bread (King Vidor, 1934) 44/2/15/New
La Bête humaine (Jean Renoir, 1938) 43/2/11/-123
Hallelujah, I'm a Bum (Lewis Milestone, 1933) 43/3/16/New
Man of Aran (Robert Flaherty, 1934) 42/2/12/+16
Footlight Parade (Lloyd Bacon, 1933) 42/2/28/-46
Angels with Dirty Faces (Michael Curtiz, 1938) 41/2/21/New
The Mikado (Victor Schertzinger, 1939) 40/2/16/New

Horse Feathers (Norman McLeod, 1932) 39/3/15/-63
A Midsummer Night's Dream (William Dieterle, 1934) 38/3/28/-57
Queen Christina (Rouben Mamoulian, 1933) 38/4/35/+15
Anna und Elisabeth (Frank Wisbar, 1933) 37/2/30/-80
Une nuit sur le mont chauve (Alexander Alexeieff & Claire Parker, 1933) 37/2/31/+34
The Bitter Tea of General Yen (Frank Capra, 1933) 37/3/34/-139
The Petrified Forest (Archie Mayo, 1936) 35/2/31/+45
Chanson d'Armor (Jean Epstein, 1934) 34/2/19/+15
Lost Horizon (Frank Capra, 1937) 34/2/24/+42
The Mascot (Wladyslaw Starewicz, 1934) 34/2/32/+51

The Invisible Man (James Whale, 1933) 31/3/27/-28
The Big Trail (Raoul Walsh, 1930) 31/3/29/-47
The Goddess (Wu Yonggang, 1934) 31/2/31/-101
Show Boat (James Whale, 1936) 30/2/29/New
Spring Shower (Pál Fejös, 1932) 29/2/32/-27
Amphitryon (Reinhold Schünzel, 1935) 28/2/32/+32
The Last Flight (William Dieterle, 1931) 27/2/33/-63
Easy Living (Mitchell Leisen, 1937) 27/3/37/-106
Captains Courageous (Victor Fleming, 1937) 26/2/27/New
Terra madre (Alessandro Blasetti, 1931) 26/2/30/New

Olympia (Leni Riefenstahl, 1938) 26/2/35/+35
Passing Fancy (Yasujirô Ozu, 1933) 26/2/37/+20
Osaka Elegy (Kenji Mizoguchi, 1936) 25/2/38/-154
L'Idée (Berthold Bartosch, 1932) 22/2/33/+45
Emil und die Detektive (Gerhard Lamprecht, 1931) 22/2/36/+39
Stella Dallas (King Vidor, 1937) 22/2/37/New
Lady for a Day (Frank Capra, 1933) 21/2/31/New
The Dawn Patrol (Howard Hawks, 1930) 21/2/34/New
Kameradschaft (G.W. Pabst, 1931) 21/3/40/-18
One Hour with You (Ernst Lubitsch, 1932) 19/2/34/New

Mr. Deeds Goes to Town (Frank Capra, 1936) 19/2/38/+4
Mollenard (Robert Siodmak, 1938) 19/2/38/New
Schlußakkord (Douglas Sirk, 1936) 16/2/43(x2)/New
42nd Street (Lloyd Bacon, 1933) 14/2/42/-150
Dragnet Girl (Yasujirô Ozu, 1933) 13/2/44/-94
Woman Chases Man (John Blystone, 1937) 12/2/40/New
The Good Earth (Sidney Franklin, 1937) 10/2/42/New

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#331 Post by swo17 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:40 pm

Orphans

Aerograd (Aleksandr Dovzhenko, 1935) 41
Afraid to Talk (Edward Cahn, 1932) 32
Alone (Grigori Kozintsev & Leonid Trauberg, 1931) 18
Animal Crackers (Victor Heerman, 1930) 35
Annie Oakley (George Stevens, 1935) 35
Another Thin Man (W.S. Van Dyke, 1939) 15
Ariane (Paul Czinner, 1931) 7
Arsène Lupin (Jack Conway, 1932) 22

Babes in Arms (Busby Berkeley, 1939) 41
Bachelor Mother (Garson Kanin, 1939) 34
La Bandera (Julien Duvivier, 1935) 44
The Barretts of Wimpole Street (Sidney Franklin, 1934) 34
The Big House (George Hill, 1930) 48
Bimbo's Initiation (Dave Fleischer, 1931) 40
Blonde Cheat (Joseph Santley, 1938) 49
Ein blonder Traum (Paul Martin, 1932) 10
Blood Money (Rowland Brown, 1933) 42
Bluebeard's Eighth Wife (Ernst Lubitsch, 1938) 34
Brand in der Oper (Carl Froelich, 1930) 34
The Bride Wore Red (Dorothy Arzner, 1937) 14
Broken Lullaby (Ernst Lubitsch, 1932) 10
A Brother and His Younger Sister (Yasujirô Shimazu, 1939) 31
Bulldog Drummond Comes Back (Louis King, 1937) 20

Cada loco con su tema (Juan Bustillo Oro, 1939) 41
Captain Blood (Michael Curtiz, 1935) 14
Carmen (la de Triana) (Florián Rey, 1938) 46
César (Marcel Pagnol, 1936) 45
The Charge of the Light Brigade (Michael Curtiz, 1936) 37
Children in the Wind (Hiroshi Shimizu, 1937) 13
The Chimp (James Parrott, 1932) 21
China Seas (Tay Garnett, 1935) 29
Christopher Strong (Dorothy Arzner, 1933) 35
Colleen (Alfred Green, 1936) 22
Counsellor at Law (William Wyler, 1933) 17
Crime and Punishment (Josef von Sternberg, 1935) 15
La Cucaracha (Lloyd Corrigan, 1934) 44

Dames (Ray Enright, 1934) 10
Dead End (William Wyler, 1937) 49
Désiré (Sacha Guitry, 1937) 42
The Divorce of Lady X (Tim Whelan, 1938) 39
Dollar (Gustaf Molander, 1938) 43
Drums Along the Mohawk (John Ford, 1939) 37

Each Dawn I Die (William Keighley, 1939) 49
The Eagle and the Hawk (Stuart Walker, 1933) 46
The Emperor Jones (Dudley Murphy, 1933) 2
Employees' Entrance (Roy del Ruth, 1933) 41
L'Équipage (Anatole Litvak, 1935) 43
Evergreen (Victor Saville, 1934) 38

The Face at the Window (George King, 1939) 49
Der Fall Dreyfus (Richard Oswald, 1930) 43
Fanny (Marc Allégret, 1932) 30
5th Ave Girl (Gregory La Cava, 1939) 39
Fighting Soldiers (Fumio Kamei, 1939) 9
Forget Love for Now (Hiroshi Shimizu, 1937) 46
Four Daughters (Michael Curtiz, 1938) 40
Four Seasons of Children (Hiroshi Shimizu, 1939) 46
Friends of Mr. Sweeney (Edward Ludwig, 1934) 37

Gabriel Over the White House (Gregory La Cava, 1933) 44
The Girl with the Hat Box (Boris Barnet, 1930) 25
A Girl's Best Years (Reginald Le Borg, 1936) 32
Glass Eye (Vitaly Zhemchuzhny & Lily Brik, 1930) 33
Glens Falls Sequence (Douglass Crockwell, 1937) 16
Good Girls Go to Paris (Alexander Hall, 1939) 48
Granton Trawler (John Grierson, 1934) 36
Gunga Din (George Stevens, 1939) 34

Heat Lightning (Mervyn LeRoy, 1934) 46
Heimat (Carl Froelich, 1938) 35
Hold Your Man (Sam Wood, 1933) 35
Hôtel du Nord (Marcel Carné, 1938) 31
The Hurricane (John Ford, 1937) 28

Imitation of Life (John Stahl, 1934) 28
In Name Only (John Cromwell, 1939) 42
The Informer (John Ford, 1935) 37
It's Love I'm After (Archie Mayo, 1937) 39

Jack's Dream (Joseph Cornell, 1938) 7
Jesse James (Henry King, 1939) 38
Jeune fille au jardin (Dimitri Kirsanoff, 1936) 8
Jirokichi the Rat (Daisuke Itô, 1931) 27
Journey's End (James Whale, 1930) 27

Kadetten (Karl Ritter, 1939) 44
Katharina, die Letzte (Henry Koster, 1936) 32
Keep Your Seats, Please! (Monty Burns, 1936) 43
Kid Galahad (Michael Curtiz, 1937) 32
Komedie om geld (Max Ophüls, 1936) 33
Komposition in Blau (Oskar Fischinger, 1935) 12
Kristian (Martin Frič, 1939) 30

Labor on the Douro River (Manoel de Oliveira, 1931) 22
The Lady and the Beard (Yasujirô Ozu, 1931) 40
Lady Killer (Roy del Ruth, 1933) 44
The Lady Next Door and My Wife (Heinosuke Gosho, 1931) 37
Legong: Dance of the Virgins (Henri de la Falaise, 1935) 50
Ein Lichtspiel schwarz-weiss-grau (László Moholy-Nagy, 1930) 26
Liliom (Frank Borzage, 1930) 37
Little Caesar (Mervyn LeRoy, 1931) 46
The Lives of a Bengal Lancer (Henry Hathaway, 1935) 16
Lot in Sodom (James Watson & Melville Webber, 1933) 36
Love Affair (Leo McCarey, 1939) 34
Love in the Rough (Charles Reisner, 1930) 49

Mad About Music (Norman Taurog, 1938) 39
Das Mädchen Irene (Reinhold Schünzel, 1936) 33
Magokoro (Mikio Naruse, 1939) 38
Man on the Flying Trapeze (Clyde Bruckman, 1935) 32
The Man Who Could Work Miracles (Lothar Mendes, 1936) 22
Man's Castle (Frank Borzage, 1933) 38
Marie Antoinette (W.S. Van Dyke, 1938) 24
La Marseillaise (Jean Renoir, 1938) 18
Maytime (Robert Leonard, 1937) 46
Merrily We Live (Norman McLeod, 1938) 32
The Mind Reader (Roy del Ruth, 1933) 41
Mirages de Paris (Fyodor Otsep, 1933) 49
Monsieur Fantômas (Ernst Moerman, 1937) 38
Monte Carlo (Ernst Lubitsch, 1930) 31
Der Mörder Dimitri Karamasoff (Fyodor Otsep, 1931) 48
Morning's Tree-Lined Street (Mikio Naruse, 1936) 42
Mor'Vran (Jean Epstein, 1931) 47
Mud and Soldiers (Tomotaka Tasaka, 1939) 38

Next Time We Love (Edward Griffith, 1936) 49
A Night at the Opera (Sam Wood, 1935) 38
Night Nurse (William Wellman, 1932) 44
No Greater Glory (Frank Borzage, 1934) 42
Nothing Sacred (William Wellman, 1937) 38

Of Human Bondage (John Cromwell, 1934) 43
On Ice (Ben Sharpsteen, 1935) 8
Other Men's Women (William Wellman, 1931) 15
Our Neighbor, Miss Yae (Yasujirô Shimazu, 1934) 47

Pilgrimage (John Ford, 1933) 44
Pirate Party on Catalina Isle (Gene Burdette, 1935) 42
Poil de carotte (Julien Duvivier, 1932) 27
Popeye the Sailor Meets Sinbad the Sailor (Dave Fleischer, 1936) 15
Portrait of Shunkin: Okoto and Sasuke (Yasujirô Shimazu, 1936) 50
The Power and the Glory (William Howard, 1933) 29
The Prisoner of Shark Island (John Ford, 1936) 35
The Prisoner of Zenda (John Cromwell, 1937) 36
The Private Life of Henry VIII (Alexander Korda, 1933) 22
The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (Michael Curtiz, 1939) 23
Prix de beauté (Augusto Genina, 1930) 50

Radio Patrol (Edward Cahn, 1932) 45
Razzia in St. Pauli (Werner Hochbaum, 1932) 30
Redes (Fred Zinnemann & Emilio Gómez Muriel, 1936) 40
Rembrandt (Alexander Korda, 1936) 19
Resurrectio (Alessandro Blasetti, 1931) 28
Ritt in die Freiheit (Karl Hartl, 1937) 47
Romance sentimentale (Sergei Eisenstein, 1930) 43

Safe in Hell (William Wellman, 1931) 43
Le Schpountz (Marcel Pagnol, 1938) 2
The Scoundrel (Ben Hecht & Charles MacArthur, 1935) 33
Secret Agent (Alfred Hitchcock, 1936) 24
Sequoia (Chester Franklin, 1934) 32
Il signor Max (Mario Camerini, 1937) 11
The Sin of Nora Moran (Phil Goldstone, 1933) 50
Sisters of the Gion (Kenji Mizoguchi, 1936) 20
Skeleton on Horseback (Hugo Haas, 1937) 3
So endete eine Liebe (Karl Hartl, 1934) 10
The Song of Songs (Rouben Mamoulian, 1933) 17
Spawn of the North (Henry Hathaway, 1938) 40
Spring Silkworms (Cheng Bugao, 1933) 49
Steambout Round the Bend (John Ford, 1935) 29
Stolen Death (Nyrki Tapiovaara, 1938) 29
The Story of a Cheat (Sacha Guitry, 1936) 35
Strike Me Pink (Norman Taurog, 1936) 12
Swiss Miss (John Blystone, 1938) 50

T'amerò sempre (Mario Camerini, 1933) 35
The Thaw (Boris Barnet, 1931) 38
These Three (William Wyler, 1936) 48
Three Comrades (Frank Borzage, 1938) 33
The Thunderstorm (Vladimir Petrov, 1934) 19
Tokyo Chorus (Yasujirô Ozu, 1931) 18
Tomatos Another Day (James Watson, 1930) 42
Tonka Sibenice (Karl Anton, 1930) 49
Topper (Norman McLeod, 1937) 27
Tredowata (Juliusz Gardan, 1936) 18

Gli uomini, che mascalzoni! (Mario Camerini, 1932) 14

Die verkaufte Braut (Max Ophüls, 1932) 21
Vibración de Granada (José Val del Omar, 1935) 40
Viento norte (Mario Soffici, 1937) 44

Walk Cheerfully (Yasujirô Ozu, 1930) 30
Walzerkrieg (Ludwig Berger, 1933) 29
The Water Magician (Kenji Mizoguchi, 1933) 36
Westfront 1918 (G.W. Pabst, 1930) 12
What Price Porky (Robert Clampett, 1938) 50
Where Now Are the Dreams of Youth? (Yasujirô Ozu, 1932) 45
While Paris Sleeps (Allan Dwan, 1932) 20
White Woman (Stuart Walker, 1933) 33
Who Killed Cock Robin? (David Hand, 1935) 46
Wife! Be Like a Rose! (Mikio Naruse, 1935) 3
Wild Rose (Sun Yu, 1932) 26
Without Dowry (Yakov Protazanov, 1936) 39
Woman in the Mist (Heinosuke Gosho, 1936) 31
Woman of Tokyo (Yasujirô Ozu, 1933) 47
Wuthering Heights (William Wyler, 1939) 50

Zauber der Boheme (Géza von Bolváry, 1937) 31
Zouzou (Marc Allégret, 1934) 4
Zu neuen Ufern (Douglas Sirk, 1937) 24

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#332 Post by domino harvey » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:02 pm

Thanks swo! The new restoration of La grande illusion screencapped above really brings out so many unexpected details, but now we at last know how it got nominated for Best Picture!

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#333 Post by theflirtydozen » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:12 pm

Absolutely over the moon that Hej-Rup! AKA Workers, Let's Go! made the official list. Big thanks to Minkin, who I know jumped in as a voter at the last minute but also thanks to the third person, whoever you may be!

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#334 Post by TMDaines » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:15 pm

Cool final list. So much still to see. Felt bad about only having five countries represented on my ballot, but whilst I know that I need to watch more widely, I think this isn’t particularly unusual for pre-1940s ballots. Japan is a definite blindspot for me.

Is Renoir the first to 1-2 a decades list? Six Sternberg-Dietrich collaborations in the top 52 is very impressive. I assume no actor-director partnership will ever match that.

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#335 Post by movielocke » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:26 pm

Great list, interesting to see the up and down switches from last time.
My apologies, we finished a bottle of wine watching the end of the oscars and I totally forgot to send in an updated list. :oops:

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#336 Post by dustybooks » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:27 pm

Many thanks as always for your hard work, swo.

Six movies in the top 50 I have yet to see. I really need to get on Port of Shadows.

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#337 Post by domino harvey » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:38 pm

Props to whoever saved My Dear Miss Aldrich from Orphan status

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#338 Post by knives » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:59 pm

Thanks for the usual top work.

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#339 Post by BenoitRouilly » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:51 pm

Bravo for all the hard work and number crunching! That's an amazing feat.
#10. Yasujirô Ozu (11 films, 721 points)
I'm so happy to see Ozu in the top10, with no less than 11 films (the most of all directors on this list)
albeit with less points than other directors of the top10 with less total films, but almost 3 times as much points as a Wyler (228pts and 7 films).
His best film (I was born but...) is only 31st. More people need to vote for him (or watch him). This film or An Inn in Tokyo should be topping the 30ies list, eventually...
Maybe the high number of his films cited is his downfall, splitting the votes.

The result by year shows that there is no favoritism of certain years over others, especially not an upward slope from 30 to 39 (which would translate into a preference for the more recent years, or a gradual evolution of cinema quality over the years)
And it seems everytime the USA boomed, it reflected in a gap outside, and vice-versa. Funny that. We're not used to this natural balancing out in the age of Hollywood hegemony today (I mean in term of popular vote, rather than elitist vote like with this top50)

Speaking of popular vote, the consensus of our top50 is hardly consensual...
#1 only cited by 13 voters (a little over 50%) and that's for the highest ranking film! the most consensual on the list.
by #36 the film is only cited by 6 people (25%)
by #69 the film is only cited by 3 people (12,5%)
And that's not even a consensus on the first seat, it's a consensus on whether a film belongs on a top50. So there is no single movie that everybody agrees ranks in a top50...

I also welcome the come back of Alexander Nevsky on the top100, since it disappeared from the last 1930s List!

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#340 Post by theflirtydozen » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:11 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:38 pm
Props to whoever saved My Dear Miss Aldrich from Orphan status
I was able to get to this and liked it, but didn't have the time to engage you with it. Glad to have seen it, but sorry to say it did not end up cracking my top 50. I did help @sinemadelisikiz to get a hold of it, so maybe they were the one? In the end, I did swap in Captains Courageous and The Good Earth, though!

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#341 Post by movielocke » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:23 pm

BenoitRouilly wrote:This film or An Inn in Tokyo should be topping the 30ies list, eventually...
Well of the voters who chose an inn in Tokyo, 75% put it in their top ten, so possibly bodes well for gaining reputation.

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#342 Post by HinkyDinkyTruesmith » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:12 pm

I'm pleased to see that I had some help bringing Angel onto the list––the first time I watched it, I was so struck by it that I almost immediately rewatched it, and although briefly I considered Love Me Tonight as my number one, I always knew it would be at the top of my list.

I'm also pleased to see Grand Illusion claim the top! I've had the sense that it's been relegated to a secondary position by Rules in recent years, but, I've always enjoyed it more, and my rewatch of it for this list really cemented it as the more idiosyncratic, more impressive work.

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#343 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:43 am

Nice list! Thanks once again swo for all that excellent work.

My top ten:
1. La Règle du jeu
2. Only Angels Have Wings
3. Swing Time
4. I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang
5. La Grande Illusion
6. Gueule d’amour
7. Le Quai des brumes (Port of Shadows)
8. It Happened One Night
9. The 39 Steps
10. Bringing Up Baby


I'm surprised and a little saddened, though I'm sure I'm not alone, that some of my favorites didn't make it (11. Wooden Crosses, 19. The Four Feathers), especially my #13 The Edge of the World which appears to have fallen off... the edge of the world. Hopefully La Belle Équipe will eventually get a release with English subtitles.

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#344 Post by sinemadelisikiz » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:15 am

theflirtydozen wrote:Absolutely over the moon that Hej-Rup! AKA Workers, Let's Go! made the official list. Big thanks to Minkin, who I know jumped in as a voter at the last minute but also thanks to the third person, whoever you may be!
domino harvey wrote:Props to whoever saved My Dear Miss Aldrich from Orphan status
It me. Thanks to theflirtydozen for sharing My Dear Miss Aldrich and getting me to finally watch Hej Rup! both of which I liked a lot, obviously.

Hej-rup! seems like a film that could only come from the 30s, like Our Daily Bread or Modern Times. I was totally endeared by its New Deal (or the Czech equivalent I guess) spirit, and the film referential humor was surprisingly funny, especially the scene where the editing decides to go all Eisenstein after a brief mention of the soviets. I look forward to seeing other Voskovec & Werich comedies if they're as good as this.

Aldrich was really a fascinating watch. O'Sullivan's character is dropped into a romantic comedy premise with seemingly no interest in engaging with the romance at all. She just has better things to do! She humors his condescension and deftly avoids his professions of love, because she knows that a stronger hand would get her nowhere in that boy's club. The film pulls this off with surprising subtlety and I'm not sure if I've seen anything else quite like it from the era.
Rayon Vert wrote:Hopefully La Belle Équipe will eventually get a release with English subtitles.
FYI, there's a French bluray with English subtitles available.

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#345 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:22 am

sinemadelisikiz wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:15 am
Rayon Vert wrote:Hopefully La Belle Équipe will eventually get a release with English subtitles.
FYI, there's a French bluray with English subtitles available.
My bad. I have that blu! I assumed it didn't have any and that that explained the relatively poor showing.

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#346 Post by TMDaines » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:34 am

Results in IMDb form: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls046510976/

So I had watched 59/101, which is about where I have usually fallen on my first run through of various decades.

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#347 Post by BenoitRouilly » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:35 am

movielocke wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:23 pm
BenoitRouilly wrote:This film or An Inn in Tokyo should be topping the 30ies list, eventually...
Well of the voters who chose an inn in Tokyo, 75% put it in their top ten, so possibly bodes well for gaining reputation.
That's interesting indeed. I hadn't noticed that fact.
It is also cited at #1 by 2 voters, unlike for I was born, but... which was ranked at #2 at the highest, and only once in a top10.
Good run of The Only Son as well at #44.

I've seen only 54 of the final top101. But it is heavy on American films (nearly 52% of the points), which is an area I'm lacking (for that period).
My total 1930s films seen barely reaches a 100 though.

If the numbers are handy, could you (swo17) indicate the total number of films cited (including also ran and orphans) as well as the number of also ran and the number of orphans, for statistical purpose.
Or maybe you will make an open access google sheet of the results... Otherwise I can count them myself, no worries.

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#348 Post by Minkin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:01 am

Hah, well my orphans didn't change much. But that's what I get for strolling into the thread with defenses after the first round finished! I still expect everyone to watch Zouzou though.

Thanks Swo + everyone (especially those who voted for the same stuff as me :P - like whoever also put People on Sunday at #5) ..... I'll try to do better for the 40s (but no promises that my entire ballot won't be Abbott and Costello).

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Re: The 1930s List: Discussion and Suggestions

#349 Post by domino harvey » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:22 am

I’ve seen 87/101, a high number helped by my time spent working thru the same titles that popped up on the All Time List a few years back. Is the plan to do a fresh round of that after all the decades lists are covered?

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#350 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:38 am

82/101 here.

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