Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#976 Post by mteller » Wed May 01, 2019 4:50 pm

Finally, the cinephile community can stop clamoring for the much-anticipated Leon Gast box set.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#977 Post by ng4996 » Wed May 01, 2019 5:02 pm

Janus posted a picture of Hal Chase, Jack Kerouac, Burroughs, and Ginsberg on twitter earlier. If Burroughs and Ginsberg are indeed the people depicted, best I can figure is that this is a clue for Kerouac: King of The Beats

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#978 Post by criterionoop » Wed May 01, 2019 5:05 pm

So, summing what we know and don’t know about this clue:

Objective Observations:
- Leather Jacket
- Fedora
- Two Crowns / Kings
- 8 Point Star
- 5 Point Star
- Thought/Dream Bubble
- The older man looks like William S. Burroughs
- The bearded man looks like Francis Ford Coppola / Jerry Garcia
- They are sitting on a park bench with seemingly no shoes.

Personal Feelings:
- I still think that the older man looks like Leon Gast
-I don’t think the bearded man is Ginsburg because Ginsberg was bald

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#979 Post by knives » Wed May 01, 2019 5:15 pm

Can we at least agree bad clue. I mean, if it was really for Gast why not have a photo album with two kids as kings instead?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#980 Post by mteller » Wed May 01, 2019 5:33 pm

Definitely seems like a bad clue. No one has come up with a compelling answer for who the left guy is, which means it's someone not especially recognizable (and if it's supposed to be Burroughs, then that jacket is a poor choice). And if the two people aren't supposed to be anyone in particular, then it's a bad idea to make one of them look SO MUCH like Francis Ford Coppola.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#981 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed May 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Yes... bad clue.... and yes, a very welcomed release.
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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#982 Post by DeprongMori » Wed May 01, 2019 5:39 pm

ng4996 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:02 pm
Janus posted a picture of Hal Chase, Jack Kerouac, Burroughs, and Ginsberg on twitter earlier. If Burroughs and Ginsberg are indeed the people depicted, best I can figure is that this is a clue for Kerouac: King of The Beats
Given that Janus posted this picture at about the same time as Criterion sent their clue this morning, I think we have a winner.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#983 Post by KJones77 » Wed May 01, 2019 5:43 pm

ng4996 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:02 pm
Janus posted a picture of Hal Chase, Jack Kerouac, Burroughs, and Ginsberg on twitter earlier. If Burroughs and Ginsberg are indeed the people depicted, best I can figure is that this is a clue for Kerouac: King of The Beats
This has to be it even if Ginsberg doesn't look right.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#984 Post by DeprongMori » Wed May 01, 2019 5:52 pm

KJones77 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:43 pm
ng4996 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:02 pm
Janus posted a picture of Hal Chase, Jack Kerouac, Burroughs, and Ginsberg on twitter earlier. If Burroughs and Ginsberg are indeed the people depicted, best I can figure is that this is a clue for Kerouac: King of The Beats
This has to be it even if Ginsberg doesn't look right.
The picture of Ginsberg looks right, back when he was in Kerouac’s circle. Have a look at this video of Ginsberg with Kerouac, along with some of the other beats, in 1959.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#985 Post by antnield » Wed May 01, 2019 5:55 pm

If it is Burroughs and Ginsberg, then of the numerous Beat documentaries, The Beat Generation: An American Dream from 1986 fits the clue better than most.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#986 Post by swo17 » Wed May 01, 2019 5:58 pm

Directed by someone named Forman!

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#987 Post by mteller » Wed May 01, 2019 6:04 pm

antnield wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:55 pm
If it is Burroughs and Ginsberg, then of the numerous Beat documentaries, The Beat Generation: An American Dream from 1986 fits the clue better than most.
Except that then loses the whole "king" connection (although it does have "Dream" in it...)

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#988 Post by KJones77 » Wed May 01, 2019 6:05 pm

So then was the original guess of a Gast dual-release on the right track? Except, rather than for Gast, a dual-release of beat generation documentaries?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#989 Post by swo17 » Wed May 01, 2019 6:12 pm

So a Beat Generation set featuring An American Dream and King of the Beats...maybe?

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#990 Post by domino harvey » Wed May 01, 2019 6:15 pm

swo17 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 6:12 pm
So a Beat Generation set featuring An American Dream and King of the Beats...maybe?
This is the first thing proposed after thirteen pages of guessing that sounds plausible

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#991 Post by knives » Wed May 01, 2019 6:43 pm

Still, bad clue.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#992 Post by domino harvey » Wed May 01, 2019 6:46 pm

If that’s what it’s for, then yes. If it’s anything else guessed in here, it’s worse. If it’s something else we still haven’t guessed that fits better, it’s passable (but will never be good, since this would just prove the film in question was too obscure to be worthy of clueing and/or the clue too obtuse)


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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#994 Post by Feego » Wed May 01, 2019 7:59 pm

Yes, it looks like these titles are the best guess yet. Of course, if Kerouac is the King of the Beats, then why do Burroughs and Ginsberg have the crowns? Whatever, awful clue and it honestly stopped being fun pretty quickly. I guess Joe Eszterhas really did come again!

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#995 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 am

Feego wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:59 pm
Of course, if Kerouac is the King of the Beats, then why do Burroughs and Ginsberg have the crowns?
They don't, they can only fantasize about having them because Kerouac is the king.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#996 Post by justeleblanc » Thu May 02, 2019 12:11 pm

What about a Gast dual release: When We Were Kings and The Grateful Dead Movie.

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#997 Post by domino harvey » Thu May 02, 2019 12:13 pm

If only someone had already proposed that eighty times

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#998 Post by bearcuborg » Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm

I now see why this thread is closed so quickly...

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Re: Criterion Newsletter: Clues and More, Volume Four

#999 Post by swo17 » Thu May 30, 2019 2:23 pm

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#1000 Post by jwd5275 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:25 pm

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