Harold Lloyd and Criterion

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Minkin
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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#26 Post by Minkin » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:30 pm

I suppose with their eventual release of The Freshman, we'll probably get the Janus owned compilation film - Harold Lloyd's The Funny Side of Life (1963) - which I uncovered a few months ago.

I'd think that the rest of Lloyd's later films would be easy enough to get to - they seem to be either UA or Paramount (Universal).

Also, the talk of splitting films between mainline and Eclipse eerily echoes our thoughts about the Chaplin films - so I think we're jumping the gun a bit. At worst, I'd expect some of them to end up on those 'single-extra' $30 blurays, but not dumped into an eclipse set.

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#27 Post by Brianruns10 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:58 am

Oh I couldn't imagine any Chaplin or Lloyd getting the Eclipse treatment. Too significant, and the elements area available for a proper treatment. Not to mention there is such a devoted fanbase for each, they'd be sure sellers, not only to Criterionists, but to those who just love Chaplin and Lloyd.

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#28 Post by manicsounds » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:33 am

I'm pretty sure when they release "The Freshman", they'll put "Diddlebock" as a bonus feature.

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#29 Post by duck duck » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:47 am

I don't see why Chaplin or Lloyd would be too good for Eclipse when there are Kurosawa and Bergman sets, eclipse would be an way to get sets of shorts out faster and cheaper.

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#30 Post by matrixschmatrix » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:17 am

Because it would be stupid to re-release something already available, with special features, into the barebones obscurities line? I realize they've done it before- Putney Swope, I'm looking in your direction- but I don't see them doing it with either of these, particularly as they're working with their respective estates. (Also, I think the Chaplin releases have mostly been really high sellers, so Eclipsing it would just be wasteful.)

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#31 Post by Drucker » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:03 pm

Forgive the word, but those Bergman and Kurosawas are also relatively "minor" works compared to the over dozen mainline releases each of those other directors have. While I'm not as familiar with all of Lloyd's work, it certainly doesn't seem that any feature-length film of Chaplin's is minor, considering how few there are.

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#32 Post by swo17 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:12 pm

All of them are minor compared to Keaton. :P

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#33 Post by duck duck » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:32 pm

In my initial post I specifically said shorts.

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#34 Post by Ashirg » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:49 pm

Seeing how they packaged Pierre Etaix set, they may do something similar with Harold Lloyd.

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Re: Harold Lloyd and Criterion

#35 Post by dex14 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:54 am

I don't know what to do with my HL Collection. There is so much material I don't know if it is a good idea to sell it now? Or wait until CC releases more?

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#36 Post by EddieLarkin » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:03 pm

Do Criterion have access to everything from their deal with the Lloyd estate? I wonder what their intention with his shorts are? 3 on each mainline release isn't going to cut it, but I wonder if they're even going to bother trying to get everything out there.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#37 Post by adavis53 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:13 pm

I don't know the answer to your question about what they have but I could see them loading some of the smaller releases that otherwise might not sell as well. Or perhaps with the success of the Pierre Etaix set we'll get a kickass boxset of Early Lloyd or something with a large number of shorts.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#38 Post by movielocke » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:20 pm

Damn, I just looked it up, I had no idea just how many shorts there are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Lloyd_filmography" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder if they plan on doing a Lonesome Luke release as a standalone?

feature films wise, what's the next likely release? I've only ever seen this and Safety Last of his work.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#39 Post by EddieLarkin » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:22 pm

I'm hoping for a talkie next. I understand The Milky Way is his most popular (with Leo McCarey directing).

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#40 Post by adavis53 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:23 pm

I'd kill for either Girl Shy or Haunted Spooks to be the next one, if they happen to have the rights to either, although the latter would probably held off for an October release. Speedy is also particularly good which they have up on their hulu channel.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#41 Post by swo17 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:24 pm

I'm hoping for Girl Shy. I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped over the Lonesome Luke shorts entirely. There's discussion on Safety Last! about how they really aren't very good.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#42 Post by domino harvey » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:24 pm

I'd bet a boxed set is next

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#43 Post by manicsounds » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:27 pm

Seems like a missed opportunity they didn't include the "sequel" movie, "The Sin Of Harold Diddlebock", which I think would not be a big seller on its own, if Criterion is planning that in the future. Unless there is going to be an Eclipse set called "Lesser Lloyd" or something.

The commentary is the same as what was on the DVD.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#44 Post by EddieLarkin » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:34 pm

Assuming they intend to release it, perhaps The Sin of Harold Diddlebock is already going to get saddled with the re-cut Mad Wednesday.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#45 Post by swo17 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:35 pm

It would be great for Criterion to give it a go, as it's PD and has never had a decent release.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#46 Post by Moe Dickstein » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:36 pm

Mad Wednesday / Diddlebock is a different rights situation. Add in the fact that you can sell it on Preston Sturges as well as Lloyd and the fact that there are 2 edits, there's enough for a standalone if they didn't see fit to throw it in here (I think it may be PD at this point)

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#47 Post by HerrSchreck » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:38 pm

Haunted Spooks is just a short.

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#48 Post by adavis53 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:47 pm

HerrSchreck wrote:Haunted Spooks is just a short.
My bad. I always conflate it with that one where Lloyd is accused of murder, Hot Water I think, so I remember it as a feature

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#49 Post by HerrSchreck » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:02 pm

I'll never forget it because it was my first exposure to Lloyd, as David Shepard stuck it on the ancient Kino VHS of The Cat and the Canary as an extra.

Another thing about it is the title would be considered completely politically incorrect nowadays... As it refers to the frightened negro house help shuddering in terror when they encounter fake ghosts in the big old house they tend to. This they are the "Haunted Spooks."

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Re: 703 The Freshman

#50 Post by Jonathan S » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:02 am

movielocke wrote:I wonder if they plan on doing a Lonesome Luke release as a standalone?
swo17 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped over the Lonesome Luke shorts entirely. There's discussion on Safety Last! about how they really aren't very good.
Only 14 of the 67 Lonesome Lukes are known to survive - and only three of those are held by the Lloyd Trust. The rest were casualties of Lloyd's 1943 vault fire. Even some of the surviving Lukes, scattered among various archives and private collections, may be in relatively poor or fragmentary state. (Eighteen of the early "glasses" films are also considered lost.)

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