342-348 Six Moral Tales

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Re: 342-348 Six Moral Tales

#251 Post by rrenault » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:32 am

What I find interesting is the progression of relationship stages starting with My Night at Maud's and ending with Love in the Afternoon. In Maud, the'absent' woman is just a crush. In La Collectionneuse she's a girlfriend. In Claire's Knee she's a fiance, and in Love in the Afternoon she's a wife with whom he has two kids. With that said, La Collectionneuse was the only one where I actually found the 'absent' woman to be more appealing than the 'substitute' woman. In Love in the Afternoon I felt both women had their virtues as different as they were from each other. And the fact that the wife is played by Bernard Verley's real life wife makes things even more interesting. In Claire's Knee we never actually meet the 'absent' woman, although I definitely preferred Beatrice Romand to Claire.

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Re: 342-348 Six Moral Tales

#252 Post by Black Hat » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:57 am

Mr Sausage wrote:It's something of an ambiguous film.
I wouldn't say it's something of an ambiguous film. I'd say it is an ambiguous film. Much in the same vein as life. These ambiguities are what give Rohmer's films the realism that engages us with his characters despite their, for the most part, lack of resolution. In life our issues usually aren't resolved, they are fluid and ongoing. They may take on different faces but they're always with us to some degree. Most films take issues to extremes where without resolution you won't have a film. He gives us a glimpse into these character's lives, people experiencing feelings that can easily be our own, we engage with them from within our own shoes but when Rohmer closes that window we're left to examine the reasons behind the choices that were made. Naturally, this happens through our individual world's prism. Which is what made the ambiguities of Love in the Afternoon reverberate in our minds.

My impression was the husband was taken with himself to such an extent that everything he claimed he desired, right down to the fashion of it, Chloe eventually offered but he was so enamored with himself, with his 'work' that it lift him impotent. I also found the film's final scene fascinating, where Chloe was shown to be prophetic about Frederic's wife's affair yet even then he was absolutely oblivious despite believing himself to be omniscient.
Mr Sausage wrote:But it's clear that only Chloe is sure of her own desires and what life she wants.
I'm not sure if it's that clear. I saw Chloe as a mirror of Frederic in this regard. Talking one game but living out another. The only aspect where I felt she was clear in was with her desire for Frederic, her control and manipulation of him. This is what differentiated the two within their relationship. I've always seen Frederic's meek departure from her apartment not as some suddenly realized loyalty to his wife, that line was long crossed but rather as him finally realizing that Chloe was in control and his ego couldn't handle it. Especially not from a girl like Chloe.

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Re: 342-348 Six Moral Tales

#253 Post by Mr Sausage » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:58 am

Black Hat wrote:I'm not sure if it's that clear. I saw Chloe as a mirror of Frederic in this regard. Talking one game but living out another. The only aspect where I felt she was clear in was with her desire for Frederic, her control and manipulation of him.
Chole stands rather in contrast to everyone else in her ability not only to state exactly what she wants, but pursue it as well.
Black Hat wrote:I wouldn't say it's something of an ambiguous film. I'd say it is an ambiguous film.
I don't know if it's that ambiguous a film. There's a lot of ambivalence in it, but the sides are always very clear, and for the most part if things in the movie fail to resolve you get the sense it's because the characters themselves don't know how to resolve them, either, so the mental state of the piece can be apprehended easily enough. The main ambiguity is in the the actual merits of the choices offered. Is Chloe the love of his life or not; is married life his real avenue to happiness or not? Is there even a right choice, here, or will both be unsatisfactory in some way.

Tangential thought: maybe there's something to the fact that Chloe offers fertility without family, ie. she wants to procreate but without drawing him into a social unit at the same time. Does that attract Frederic, does its implied transience finally frighten him off, or a bit of both? What role does her implied motive of using Frederic as a glorified sperm donor play in Frederic's desires? That's an interesting part of that main ambiguity, if a fleeting but more highly pitched happiness is worth pursuing over a (potentially) more stable, if more subdued, one.

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Re: 342-348 Six Moral Tales

#254 Post by rrenault » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:11 am

It's never thoroughly confirmed that Frederic's wife is actually having an affair. All Chloe was implying was that if his wife was seen in public with an unidentified member of the opposite sex he shouldn't feel so self-conscious about being so himself.

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Re: 342-348 Six Moral Tales

#255 Post by Mr Sausage » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:37 am

rrenault wrote:It's never thoroughly confirmed that Frederic's wife is actually having an affair. All Chloe was implying was that if his wife was seen in public with an unidentified member of the opposite sex he shouldn't feel so self-conscious about being so himself.
Yeah, her reaction in the final scene is not in keeping with someone having an affair. She seems genuinely relieved at the idea that her husband isn't cheating, and we get a glimpse of all the worry and torment she must've been suffering while the camera was focused on our would-be lovers.

On the other hand, people carrying on affairs are generally relieved when they find out their spouses have also been cheating.


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Re: 342-348 Six Moral Tales

#257 Post by djproject » Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:50 pm

I can imagine a future Blu-ray configuration will be three discs with two of the tales each. Most, if not all, of the supplements will be on the first disc given the short duration of the first two tales. There is also no reason why the book should not be a part of the package, unless they allow access for a digital copy.

Just my take on it given the precedent for these things. Of course what will be missing is the individual packages for each of the tales. But I'm sure there will be a clever design configuration for it.

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Re: 342-348 Six Moral Tales

#258 Post by Robespierre » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:28 pm

So with the DVD edition OOP is it safe to say that we should be expecting a blu ray upgrade at some point?

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