1005 Cold War

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Re: Cold War (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2018)

#26 Post by nitin » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:58 am

Well put. Also, I am not sure how one can really argue that Zula as a character lack agency (or even backstory)?

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Re: Cold War (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2018)

#27 Post by MichaelB » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:29 am

Mr Sausage wrote:
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The movie even hints that this slavic dream girl is a cultural myth when Kaczmarek suggests dolling up one of the actual rural women to make her fit a slavic peasant ideal that Zula, a modern city girl, more outwardly represents. A vision of Poland to sell abroad.
Quoted for emphasis, as this whole notion of "a vision of Poland to sell abroad" was replicated across the entire eastern bloc at the time, and indeed it was one of the easiest ways of obtaining permission to travel abroad. The Soviet Red Army Chorus being another excellent example.

And I suspect Pawlikowski will have been fully aware of the irony of his own earlier film Ida getting attacked in Poland for not toeing the accepted line (i.e. by raising still-contentious issues such as postwar Polish anti-Semitism) while praised in the West for being a perfectly-formed example of an "arthouse film" (and winning Poland's first Best Foreign Film Oscar after a full half-century of being a regular bridesmaid).

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Re: Cold War (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2018)

#28 Post by HinkyDinkyTruesmith » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:51 pm

According to Chris Evangelista, Cold War will not be getting a US physical release.

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Re: Cold War (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2018)

#29 Post by domino harvey » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:09 pm

No way that turns out to be true

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Re: Cold War (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2018)

#30 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:36 pm

If so, Artificial Eye has the bluray in the UK.

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Re: Cold War (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2018)

#31 Post by domino harvey » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:39 pm

I imagine Amazon is trying to cultivate a period of exclusivity on Prime (I see Beautiful Boy likewise is physical-free but coming to Blu-ray in the UK), but no way they don’t eventually license these to any of the usual suspects for boutique releases at least. Guess their deal with LionsGate is kaput, at least

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Re: Cold War (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2018)

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#33 Post by domino harvey » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:58 pm

Here we all are trying to predict Netflix exclusives and Criterion releases an Amazon Prime title!

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#34 Post by domino harvey » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:00 pm

Also, AGI enters the collection!
New conversation between Pawlikowski and filmmaker Alejandro G. Iñàrritu

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#35 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:18 pm

Wow, this is quite the delightful surprise! Good variety of features for a newer release, too

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#36 Post by Boosmahn » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:27 pm

I didn't like Ida that much but I'm hoping I feel differently about this one. I've heard great things.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#37 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:34 pm

It probably depends what turned you off about Ida; this is definitely the more vibrant and lively of the two, largely due to Kulig, but they share a fair amount of stylistic similarity.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#38 Post by knives » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:38 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:58 pm
Here we all are trying to predict Netflix exclusives and Criterion releases an Amazon Prime title!
Was about to say the same thing. This is exciting news for one of the best filmmakers to come along in a while.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#39 Post by Fiery Angel » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:38 pm

Boosmahn wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:27 pm
I didn't like Ida that much but I'm hoping I feel differently about this one. I've heard great things.
Loved Ida, thought this was blah, so you may love it!

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#40 Post by bad future » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:18 pm

This was one of my very favorite films of last year so it’s a great surprise to see it entering the collection, though this would seem to be the first instance of something most of us probably thought we’d see first with ROMA: a Criterion release of a film distributed by a streaming giant and available in 4k HDR on that platform, making the blu ray a downgrade in that sense for Prime subscribers. (Not sure if the Amazon 4k is available outside the US though.)

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1005 Cold War

#41 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:23 pm

I wished I liked this more than I did. If this was Ida getting a release it would be a no brainer for me. But glad to see Pawlikowski join the collection

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Re: 1005 Cold War

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Re: 1005 Cold War

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#44 Post by knives » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:54 pm

I'm incredibly sick and feverish right now so this won't make a lick of sense, but basically this surprised me by being even better than Ida. With a subtle flourish this regularly had me in tears and feeling pain. The movie is not, as I assumed, primarily about the communist regime, but rather Poland's victim complex and history of ethnic cleansing that it hides under the rug. This is the story of a Pole who says woe is me as the Russians try to make the Polish Soviets while never realizing he has done the same to his ultimate object of desire.

Making Zula Lemko had a profound effect on me, not only for how the film used that fact but also because of a personal edge. I grew up without knowing my father, but accidentally came into connect with his father who is Lemko some years ago. Having that background knowledge made many of the scenes painful to watch. Early on with the concert I was crying as the Polish talent scouts ironed out the culture from the Lemko music turning it into a sideshow attraction musically adapted to the comfort of Poles. Zula and her compatriots were killed in that scene.

The weight of that cruel hand seems to have informed both leads' reaction to the subsequent Soviet invasion and their sense of self. Zula whose home has been purified from her doesn't need to define herself as Polish, Soviet, Italian, or French. She is Zula. On the other hand Wiktor is driven mad to preserve his identity. This ultimately leads to a final scene of powerful identity refutation. Lemko, you see, are part of the Greek Catholic church, not Orthodox, while most Poles are Roman Catholic. Love must become a renunciation it seems.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#45 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:07 pm

Thanks for sharing that personal connection, knives - it’s a great reminder how and why films affect each of us in a completely unique way. It’s worth noting that despite each character’s resilience through barriers to keep or form their identities, they’re both left in the same place in the end as a result of this “cruel hand.” As depressing as that may sound it’s rather optimistic to see people connect under such circumstances, which happens all the time, and another good reminder that within oppressive hopelessness that appears to scorch the earth barren, still exists bright lights as opportunities for love, connection, and thus life.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#46 Post by nitin » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:22 am

Knives, thanks for that insightful post. Maybe it was there and I missed it but I had not quite appreciated that Zula was from a different ethnicity and not just from a different more rural community of Poland. The film worked for me even without that appreciation but your comments above provide a prism that I genuinely had not thought about.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#47 Post by knives » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:20 pm

The film explicitly says the opening scenes are from a Lemko village in the scene where they are listening to the recording and the woman asks what language it is in.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#48 Post by nitin » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:20 pm

Well there you go, I missed it.

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Re: 1005 Cold War

#49 Post by barryconvex » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:16 am

I don't have much to add but I will say that the Richard & Linda Thompson record I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight kept entering my thoughts while watching, with the last scene in particular calling to mind When I Get To The Border which, in the context of the movie, is a song that speaks to some of the things Sausage summed up so well in his writeup. I was overwhelmed by this film and would probably place in the top five of the past decade. And the image of Joanna Kulig floating downstream, partially submerged while singing that beautiful Russian melody will not soon be forgotten.

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